just find someone who shares your values in addition to the other stuff.
It seems to me that modern day politics consists of people sheepily cheering for their values team without looking into whether their team’s proposed policies actually further their values—which largely seems to be the proposition here.
I see some glimmer of sense in wanting a less ideological leader in creating a system to further a set of values, but it doesn’t seem likely that the least ideological will win a competition for leadership in ideological organizations, or that they would be the best choice as the head of the group if they were, as furthering the ideology seems more effective for gaining and keeping power than efficiently putting the ideology into practice.
As long as there is a war to be fought for power, you want someone good at war. When the war is won, then you want the guy who can win the peace.
It’s probably used that way in practice, but it does seem likely to me that there’s a useful concept lurking around here. I’ve definitely noticed that some people are much more inclined to stick with their guns in an attempt to save face during disagreements than others, and I think I’ve observed long-term changes in that personality characteristic in myself over the years.
Yes, in practice, the usage of “ideological” is ideological.
But I think there is a meaningful sense to it. We are all acting out of our motivation to further our values, but some of us, more than others, can and will still recognize and be honest about reality, even when it is inconvenient to making our case. The inability or unwillingness to do this is being ideological.
It seems to me that modern day politics consists of people sheepily cheering for their values team without looking into whether their team’s proposed policies actually further their values—which largely seems to be the proposition here.
I see some glimmer of sense in wanting a less ideological leader in creating a system to further a set of values, but it doesn’t seem likely that the least ideological will win a competition for leadership in ideological organizations, or that they would be the best choice as the head of the group if they were, as furthering the ideology seems more effective for gaining and keeping power than efficiently putting the ideology into practice.
As long as there is a war to be fought for power, you want someone good at war. When the war is won, then you want the guy who can win the peace.
Also, could you taboo “ideological”. I suspect in practice it tends to mean some combination of “disagrees with me” and “contrarian”.
It’s probably used that way in practice, but it does seem likely to me that there’s a useful concept lurking around here. I’ve definitely noticed that some people are much more inclined to stick with their guns in an attempt to save face during disagreements than others, and I think I’ve observed long-term changes in that personality characteristic in myself over the years.
So what you’re talking about is susceptibility to peer pressure?
Not according to the traditional usage of “peer pressure”.
Yes, in practice, the usage of “ideological” is ideological.
But I think there is a meaningful sense to it. We are all acting out of our motivation to further our values, but some of us, more than others, can and will still recognize and be honest about reality, even when it is inconvenient to making our case. The inability or unwillingness to do this is being ideological.
Yo dawg, I heard you like some ideology in your ideology