Thanks! I think I mostly agree with what you’re optimizing for. Some comments:
On why delete: I’m not particularly worried about people convincing LW users to commit violence. I’m worried about people who are much more willing to commit violence than approximately all LW users finding each other via LW.
On evidence of common knowledge: as I mentioned in the post, people would expect self-censorship, especially from senior community members, and so I’d be worried about people still incorrectly concluding that others are secretly more sympathetic to violence than they outwardly appear, even in the absence of rules prohibiting specific calls for violence.
On preserving evidence: I’m very sympathetic to it, and also very sympathetic to having police officers wear body-cams. I think this does not require the comments to exist under schelling-pointy posts about violence, though? E.g., one way to do this would be to remove a comment from the post, but keep it available (or even actively reported) to law enforcement, and available to other users (established users?) in the moderation log.
On speaking with a lawyer: I think automod already somewhat prevents people from speaking further without their lawyer; but also I’m not sure how to best balance being a place where people can incriminate themselves and preventing people like that from finding collaborators using the platform. (Or are you worried that established users would err on the side of speaking with a lawyer even when not actually warranted?)
Thanks! I think I mostly agree with what you’re optimizing for. Some comments:
On why delete: I’m not particularly worried about people convincing LW users to commit violence. I’m worried about people who are much more willing to commit violence than approximately all LW users finding each other via LW.
On evidence of common knowledge: as I mentioned in the post, people would expect self-censorship, especially from senior community members, and so I’d be worried about people still incorrectly concluding that others are secretly more sympathetic to violence than they outwardly appear, even in the absence of rules prohibiting specific calls for violence.
On preserving evidence: I’m very sympathetic to it, and also very sympathetic to having police officers wear body-cams. I think this does not require the comments to exist under schelling-pointy posts about violence, though? E.g., one way to do this would be to remove a comment from the post, but keep it available (or even actively reported) to law enforcement, and available to other users (established users?) in the moderation log.
On speaking with a lawyer: I think automod already somewhat prevents people from speaking further without their lawyer; but also I’m not sure how to best balance being a place where people can incriminate themselves and preventing people like that from finding collaborators using the platform. (Or are you worried that established users would err on the side of speaking with a lawyer even when not actually warranted?)