That is true, but this style of analysis is predicated on a sequence of steps, each one of which must succeed, and hence the more steps you have, the lower the end result probability must be; if you were just correcting for overestimation by analysis, then there ought to be analyses or points where one realizes one has been too pessimistic and increases the probability.
But that can never happen with this kind of analysis: the small result is built into the conjunctions. If one realizes one was wrong in giving the probability of a particular factor, well, one can just ‘fix’ that by breaking it into some more substeps with <1 probability!
And if you look, there are illegitimate conjunctions in the OP. For example, ‘cryonics company is out of capacity’, besides being way too high (notice that ’86% chance ‘something goes wrong in getting you frozen’ fails a basic outside view test—suspensions do go wrong fairly frequently, but not anywhere close to 86% of the time!), is a false conjunction; if you’re paid up for Alcor, why can’t CI handle your case or vice versa? Cryonics companies have taken patients off each others’ hands before.
suspensions do go wrong fairly frequently, but not anywhere close to 86% of the time!
If we have actual data on this, this should replace most of my first section. Can we get it? Though the people in a position to collect the data have a lot to lose by admitting poor numbers.
Also, some of my 86% for the first section includes things that we can’t tell yet if they worked out all right:
Not all of what makes you you is encoded in the physical state of the brain
The current cryonics process is insufficient to preserve everything
And then there are things that are not currently a problem but could become one:
Some law is passed that prohibits cryonics
You die in a hospital that refuses access to you by the cryonics people
Actual data on the fraction of the time someone signed up for cryonics is actually suspended in what we think was the correct way would be really helpful, though.
Ugh. Some of that makes for very horrifying reading. One of the ones labeled worst case scenario makes me want to track down the people who did the autopsy and punch them.
I did say ‘fairly frequently’.… Nor does long involvement necessarily save one; Mike Darwin was rather angry at Ben Best over how he botched Curtis Henderson.
there ought to be analyses or points where one realizes one has been too pessimistic and increases the probability
Some of my points seem unlikely enough now that I’ll probably remove them. For example:
The life insurance company does not pay out
The cryonics company is temporarily out of capacity
One could also break a step S with X% probability into several steps that combine to less than X% probability if after looking at all the ways S could happen you decided that they combined to be less likely than you originally thought S was.
That is true, but this style of analysis is predicated on a sequence of steps, each one of which must succeed, and hence the more steps you have, the lower the end result probability must be; if you were just correcting for overestimation by analysis, then there ought to be analyses or points where one realizes one has been too pessimistic and increases the probability.
But that can never happen with this kind of analysis: the small result is built into the conjunctions. If one realizes one was wrong in giving the probability of a particular factor, well, one can just ‘fix’ that by breaking it into some more substeps with <1 probability!
And if you look, there are illegitimate conjunctions in the OP. For example, ‘cryonics company is out of capacity’, besides being way too high (notice that ’86% chance ‘something goes wrong in getting you frozen’ fails a basic outside view test—suspensions do go wrong fairly frequently, but not anywhere close to 86% of the time!), is a false conjunction; if you’re paid up for Alcor, why can’t CI handle your case or vice versa? Cryonics companies have taken patients off each others’ hands before.
If we have actual data on this, this should replace most of my first section. Can we get it? Though the people in a position to collect the data have a lot to lose by admitting poor numbers.
Also, some of my 86% for the first section includes things that we can’t tell yet if they worked out all right:
Not all of what makes you you is encoded in the physical state of the brain
The current cryonics process is insufficient to preserve everything
And then there are things that are not currently a problem but could become one:
Some law is passed that prohibits cryonics
You die in a hospital that refuses access to you by the cryonics people
Actual data on the fraction of the time someone signed up for cryonics is actually suspended in what we think was the correct way would be really helpful, though.
http://www.alcor.org/cases.html seems like a good starting point.
Ugh. Some of that makes for very horrifying reading. One of the ones labeled worst case scenario makes me want to track down the people who did the autopsy and punch them.
I did say ‘fairly frequently’.… Nor does long involvement necessarily save one; Mike Darwin was rather angry at Ben Best over how he botched Curtis Henderson.
Some of my points seem unlikely enough now that I’ll probably remove them. For example:
The life insurance company does not pay out
The cryonics company is temporarily out of capacity
One could also break a step S with X% probability into several steps that combine to less than X% probability if after looking at all the ways S could happen you decided that they combined to be less likely than you originally thought S was.