I don’t see how it supposed to follow from the fact that not everyone prefers not-being-decieved, that those who claim to prefer not-being-deceived must be wrong about their own preferences.
I’m saying that the preferences point to the map because your entire experience of reality is in the map—you can’t experience reality directly. The comments about people’s differences in not-being-deceived were just making the point that that preference is more about consensus reality than reality reaity. In truth, we all care about our model of reality, which we labeled reality and think is reality, but is actually not.
The comments about people’s differences in not-being-deceived were just making the point that that preference is more about consensus reality than reality reaity [sic].
I’m afraid I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. It seems to me like you’re just repeating your conclusion over and over again using different words, which unfortunately doesn’t constitute an argument. Maybe to you it seems like we’re doing the same thing, I don’t know.
Alternatively, maybe we’re still talking past each other for the reasons suggested here (which everyone seemed to agree with at the time.) In which case, I wonder why we’re still having this conversation at all, and apologise for my part in pointlessly extending it. ;)
Alternatively, maybe we’re still talking past each other for the reasons suggested here (which everyone seemed to agree with at the time.) In which case, I wonder why we’re still having this conversation at all, and apologise for my part in pointlessly extending it.
It’s probably because I replied to an unclosed subthread, causing an unintended resurrection. Also, at one point Vladimir Nesov did some resurrection too, and there have also been comments by Cyan and Saturn that kept things going.
Anyway, yes, as you said, we already agreed we are talking about different things, so let’s stop now. ;-)
If you agree that you are just talking about a different thing, and given that “utility” is a term understood to mean different thing from what you were talking about, kindly stop using that term for your separate concept to avoid unnecessary confusion and stop arguing about the sound of fallen tree.
I’m saying that the preferences point to the map because your entire experience of reality is in the map—you can’t experience reality directly. The comments about people’s differences in not-being-deceived were just making the point that that preference is more about consensus reality than reality reaity. In truth, we all care about our model of reality, which we labeled reality and think is reality, but is actually not.
I’m afraid I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. It seems to me like you’re just repeating your conclusion over and over again using different words, which unfortunately doesn’t constitute an argument. Maybe to you it seems like we’re doing the same thing, I don’t know.
Alternatively, maybe we’re still talking past each other for the reasons suggested here (which everyone seemed to agree with at the time.) In which case, I wonder why we’re still having this conversation at all, and apologise for my part in pointlessly extending it. ;)
It’s probably because I replied to an unclosed subthread, causing an unintended resurrection. Also, at one point Vladimir Nesov did some resurrection too, and there have also been comments by Cyan and Saturn that kept things going.
Anyway, yes, as you said, we already agreed we are talking about different things, so let’s stop now. ;-)
If you agree that you are just talking about a different thing, and given that “utility” is a term understood to mean different thing from what you were talking about, kindly stop using that term for your separate concept to avoid unnecessary confusion and stop arguing about the sound of fallen tree.
Yay!