The story is: Jim wants to go to the boxing, and Jane wants to go to the ballet. (Game theory developed in an age of gender stereotypes.)
Two friends are fans of different sports teams (or different sports), and are thus interested in going to different games.
This story roughly fits many real world situations:
Making it easy to come up with different versions.
Now suppose there’s a new thing called the internet. Are firms who host content on the internet like newspapers, or like the Post Office? Who is responsible for the content? There are at least two legal equilibria here, but they benefit different actors differently.
Is email like the post office?
Is an invention private property?
While we’re talking about conflict around narratives: Not everyone buys ‘private property’.
But when the old king dies, who is the new king?
Kill the king.
People who prefer the A equilibrium will want it to seem like the first game; those who prefer B will argue that it’s like the second game. Comparisons and analogies will have real payoffs.
On the internet are there things you can use like the post office? ‘Like the newspaper?’
We also all agree that you need to “defend free speech”.
Or you can notice that not everyone is in agreement.
It sounds as if you have a number of political positions you want to get across, but I’m not sure how they relate to my argument, which is about how discursive conflict takes place. If you don’t like my examples, of course you can just replace them in your mind with examples you prefer.
Discursive conflict doesn’t just involve everyone agreeing on stuff. It also includes:
Widespread narratives that a lot of people will at a minimum, pay lip service to
But also people disagreeing with those, fundamentally
This means that there is still fighting over what a) values are important, b) narratives. These can be won but not completely.
There’s also some positions here and there that are compromises like:
‘copyright is fine, but it shouldn’t keep getting extended just so Disney can hold onto its intellectual property forever.’
It’s not that ‘I have a number of political positions’ - it’s that they exist. The fight over narratives is not entirely over in a lot of areas—it’s just strong, broadly.
And this happens in politics because people still care, and stuff is still going on. At this point, do a lot of people care who invented calculus? I would guess, not a lot.
Two friends are fans of different sports teams (or different sports), and are thus interested in going to different games.
Making it easy to come up with different versions.
Is email like the post office?
While we’re talking about conflict around narratives: Not everyone buys ‘private property’.
Kill the king.
On the internet are there things you can use like the post office? ‘Like the newspaper?’
Or you can notice that not everyone is in agreement.
Or that speech on twitter is not free.
It sounds as if you have a number of political positions you want to get across, but I’m not sure how they relate to my argument, which is about how discursive conflict takes place. If you don’t like my examples, of course you can just replace them in your mind with examples you prefer.
I was mostly just disagreeing with this:
There isn’t a single, all encompassing consensus.
Discursive conflict doesn’t just involve everyone agreeing on stuff. It also includes:
Widespread narratives that a lot of people will at a minimum, pay lip service to
But also people disagreeing with those, fundamentally
This means that there is still fighting over what a) values are important, b) narratives. These can be won but not completely.
There’s also some positions here and there that are compromises like:
‘copyright is fine, but it shouldn’t keep getting extended just so Disney can hold onto its intellectual property forever.’
It’s not that ‘I have a number of political positions’ - it’s that they exist. The fight over narratives is not entirely over in a lot of areas—it’s just strong, broadly.
And this happens in politics because people still care, and stuff is still going on. At this point, do a lot of people care who invented calculus? I would guess, not a lot.