Lies are good. We should evangelize good things. Saying you support white lies signals to everyone who might talk to you that they are more able to trust you to not reveal for example private details about their lives.
In addition to mistakes other commenters have pointed out, it’s a mistake to think you can neatly divide the world into “defectors” and “non-defectors,” especially when you draw the line in a way that classifies the vast majority of the world as defectors.
A lot of folks also still believe that words have meanings (as a one-place function), that the purpose of language is to communicate statements of fact, and that dishonesty and betrayal can be avoided by not saying any statements that are “technically” false.
Someone ought to write up “Five Geek Linguistic Fallacies” to accompany this old thing.
“I am afraid we are not rid of God because we still have faith in grammar.” —Nietzsche
Maybe, but its not a mistake that I manufactured. The notion that there are honest folks and dishonest folks isn’t unique to me. I didn’t invent it. Nor is it a fringe view. It is, I would posit, the common position.
Further, the idea that the tribe of Honest Except When I Benefit is the vast majority while Always Honest is a tiny minority is not one that I’ll accept without evidence. I think the reverse is true. Many sheep, few wolves.
Further, the idea that the tribe of Honest Except When I Benefit is the vast majority while Always Honest is a tiny minority is not one that I’ll accept without evidence.
I read that paper, and was distressed, so I set about finding other papers to disprove it. Instead I found links to it, and other works that backed it up. I was wrong. Liers are the larger tribe. Thanks for educating me.
An extended answer to your question is given in the original post—the post is all about answering that question, and it seems very clearly written to me. So I think you’re being silly.
I’m a bit confused by an evangelist for lying. I can see why a person would be a defector, but why on earth would you profess it?
Lies are good. We should evangelize good things. Saying you support white lies signals to everyone who might talk to you that they are more able to trust you to not reveal for example private details about their lives.
In addition to mistakes other commenters have pointed out, it’s a mistake to think you can neatly divide the world into “defectors” and “non-defectors,” especially when you draw the line in a way that classifies the vast majority of the world as defectors.
Those sorts of mistakes are just gonna happen.
A lot of folks also still believe that words have meanings (as a one-place function), that the purpose of language is to communicate statements of fact, and that dishonesty and betrayal can be avoided by not saying any statements that are “technically” false.
Someone ought to write up “Five Geek Linguistic Fallacies” to accompany this old thing.
“I am afraid we are not rid of God because we still have faith in grammar.” —Nietzsche
Maybe, but its not a mistake that I manufactured. The notion that there are honest folks and dishonest folks isn’t unique to me. I didn’t invent it. Nor is it a fringe view. It is, I would posit, the common position.
Further, the idea that the tribe of Honest Except When I Benefit is the vast majority while Always Honest is a tiny minority is not one that I’ll accept without evidence. I think the reverse is true. Many sheep, few wolves.
Here’s one relevant paper: Lying in Everyday Life
I read that paper, and was distressed, so I set about finding other papers to disprove it. Instead I found links to it, and other works that backed it up. I was wrong. Liers are the larger tribe. Thanks for educating me.
Upvoted for publicly changing your mind.
An extended answer to your question is given in the original post—the post is all about answering that question, and it seems very clearly written to me. So I think you’re being silly.