I see your point re: free speech, and I don’t endorse any appeals to “I should abandon my principles because the other side has already done so” as constantly happens in politics. And I can absolutely understand why you wouldn’t be interested in joining such a lawsuit, both due to free speech concerns and because the FTX litigation can’t have been remotely pleasant.
That said, when people do stuff like dismissing x-risk because their top Google search result pointed them at RationalWiki, what exactly was the proper non-free-speech-limiting solution to this problem?
The FTX lawsuit was kind of reasonable IMO! Overall made me increase my trust in the court system for settling things related to bankruptcy.
I think there are many other institutions that are better suited to helping people navigate this kind of stuff. Google can deprioritize them in their search rankings. LLMs can provide reasonable fact-checks. A community-note like system could apply to Google Search results, or people over time switch towards platforms that provide them with community-note like systems.
Indeed, my sense is RationalWiki’s influence had already been decreasing very heavily, and the period in which people did not have antibodies against them was pretty short. And I think that period would have been even shorter if people had written up what they were doing earlier (my sense is a Tracing Woodgrain’s post on some of the core people involved was pretty helpful here).
I see your point re: free speech, and I don’t endorse any appeals to “I should abandon my principles because the other side has already done so” as constantly happens in politics. And I can absolutely understand why you wouldn’t be interested in joining such a lawsuit, both due to free speech concerns and because the FTX litigation can’t have been remotely pleasant.
That said, when people do stuff like dismissing x-risk because their top Google search result pointed them at RationalWiki, what exactly was the proper non-free-speech-limiting solution to this problem?
The FTX lawsuit was kind of reasonable IMO! Overall made me increase my trust in the court system for settling things related to bankruptcy.
I think there are many other institutions that are better suited to helping people navigate this kind of stuff. Google can deprioritize them in their search rankings. LLMs can provide reasonable fact-checks. A community-note like system could apply to Google Search results, or people over time switch towards platforms that provide them with community-note like systems.
Indeed, my sense is RationalWiki’s influence had already been decreasing very heavily, and the period in which people did not have antibodies against them was pretty short. And I think that period would have been even shorter if people had written up what they were doing earlier (my sense is a Tracing Woodgrain’s post on some of the core people involved was pretty helpful here).