Perhaps your ontology is right, but I don’t understand what the management ontology is, if it doesn’t include this; none of your examples at the end cover it, and you haven’t said in the comments either AFAICT.
And I’m very sure that labeling things as “just practice” is a sign that the ontology is incomplete; maybe the category I’m describing is separate from management, but there is a category, a shared skill that applies at least as much as the categories you’re drawing here. When you say
Now, am I confident I have seen all skills there are in the world, such that no additional cluster will arise? Actually, yeah, kind of.
And then include several example tasks that break your assumption, within your post itself, that is a point that demands to be considered.
And I’m very sure that labeling things as “just practice” is a sign that the ontology is incomplete;
Sorry, the operationalized prediction is that any other skill requires less than six months of practice to achieve professional-level performance, if you have achieved professional-level performance in another skill in the domain. I am definitely expecting a lot of practice to be involved in tons of situations, reality has a ton of detail and all that.
If the current version of the task description was also written by an LLM and didn’t get your review, then I apologize for hammering on it. But it says:
Writing the talk is design, rest is mostly practice (probably benefits some from management, but not load-bearing).
And by making this claim, I interpret you as predicting that there’s no shared domain between performing a stand-up set that someone else wrote for you, and giving a TED talk that someone else wrote, and GMing an adventure that someone else wrote. Between doing these three tasks, factoring out the Design cluster entirely. And that seems obviously false; there is a generalized skill domain of performance and stage presence and reading the room, possessed by politicians and actors and singers.
There is design; that is done by the speechwriters and script-writers and song-writers. And there is delivery; that is done by the guy on the spot with the mouth. Many times they are combined; singer-songwriters exist, most standup artists write their own routines, many(/most) politicians are involved in their speechwriting process. But they are separate skills. Max Martin tried to make it as a musician and mostly failed; as a songwriter he is probably the most successful there has ever been. There are many, many pop stars who couldn’t write a song to save their life and put some on their records anyway, which bombed. Politicians who are good at speechwriting are rare. On the other hand, actors who are good at politics are rare only in that very few try; the hit rate is very high.
If you believe this is not a fifth domain, why not? What is the alternate explanation?
The reason I initially insisted these were part of Management is that the initial AI categorization classed it as Physical, but that was clearly bogus, and your confidence that you hadn’t missed anything else meant I assumed you’d noticed it, but miscategorized it, rather than missed that it existed. If it’s one of these four, well, it’s clearly in the ‘people skills’ cluster, and so is Management. So assuming you weren’t missing anything, and with a large vague spot in (what I can see of) the ontology for what the Management domain contains, that’s the obvious place to argue you should have categorized it. I’m not attached to that claim; I don’t care whether this is combined with management or split out into the fifth domain. But I’m sure it’s a domain with cross-applicability.
And by making this claim, I interpret you as predicting that there’s no shared domain between performing a stand-up set that someone else wrote for you, and giving a TED talk that someone else wrote, and GMing an adventure that someone else wrote. Between doing these three tasks, factoring out the Design cluster entirely. And that seems obviously false; there is a generalized skill domain of performance and stage presence and reading the room, possessed by politicians and actors and singers
No, there are of course shared skills between many tasks. If you know how to program C, you will have an easier time learning how to program javascript compared to someone who has an econ degree. Of course there is lots of shared structure between skills.
The claim I am making is that there are no major gaps between skills that cannot be overcome with a few months of practice, the way there are major gaps between the skills I am pointing to in this post.
Perhaps your ontology is right, but I don’t understand what the management ontology is, if it doesn’t include this; none of your examples at the end cover it, and you haven’t said in the comments either AFAICT.
And I’m very sure that labeling things as “just practice” is a sign that the ontology is incomplete; maybe the category I’m describing is separate from management, but there is a category, a shared skill that applies at least as much as the categories you’re drawing here. When you say
And then include several example tasks that break your assumption, within your post itself, that is a point that demands to be considered.
Sorry, the operationalized prediction is that any other skill requires less than six months of practice to achieve professional-level performance, if you have achieved professional-level performance in another skill in the domain. I am definitely expecting a lot of practice to be involved in tons of situations, reality has a ton of detail and all that.
If the current version of the task description was also written by an LLM and didn’t get your review, then I apologize for hammering on it. But it says:
And by making this claim, I interpret you as predicting that there’s no shared domain between performing a stand-up set that someone else wrote for you, and giving a TED talk that someone else wrote, and GMing an adventure that someone else wrote. Between doing these three tasks, factoring out the Design cluster entirely. And that seems obviously false; there is a generalized skill domain of performance and stage presence and reading the room, possessed by politicians and actors and singers.
There is design; that is done by the speechwriters and script-writers and song-writers. And there is delivery; that is done by the guy on the spot with the mouth. Many times they are combined; singer-songwriters exist, most standup artists write their own routines, many(/most) politicians are involved in their speechwriting process. But they are separate skills. Max Martin tried to make it as a musician and mostly failed; as a songwriter he is probably the most successful there has ever been. There are many, many pop stars who couldn’t write a song to save their life and put some on their records anyway, which bombed. Politicians who are good at speechwriting are rare. On the other hand, actors who are good at politics are rare only in that very few try; the hit rate is very high.
If you believe this is not a fifth domain, why not? What is the alternate explanation?
The reason I initially insisted these were part of Management is that the initial AI categorization classed it as Physical, but that was clearly bogus, and your confidence that you hadn’t missed anything else meant I assumed you’d noticed it, but miscategorized it, rather than missed that it existed. If it’s one of these four, well, it’s clearly in the ‘people skills’ cluster, and so is Management. So assuming you weren’t missing anything, and with a large vague spot in (what I can see of) the ontology for what the Management domain contains, that’s the obvious place to argue you should have categorized it. I’m not attached to that claim; I don’t care whether this is combined with management or split out into the fifth domain. But I’m sure it’s a domain with cross-applicability.
No, there are of course shared skills between many tasks. If you know how to program C, you will have an easier time learning how to program javascript compared to someone who has an econ degree. Of course there is lots of shared structure between skills.
The claim I am making is that there are no major gaps between skills that cannot be overcome with a few months of practice, the way there are major gaps between the skills I am pointing to in this post.