A counterpoint may be that human civilization is just the observable of underlying optimization processes (individual and group selection on several levels). Obviously this observable has had variance whenever a new advantage got widely adopted and civilization morphed into the memeplex of whoever had the advantage. So from AI we shouldn’t expect this process to suddenly stop. However, the entities with the next advantage may well be agentic AIs.
I’m excited to find your comment, osten, that reads as a pretty insightful view to me.
Let me restate what I understood your light( and welcome) critique to be: I have put “human civilization” out as an actor which lasted/endured a long time which heuristically suggests it has high resilience and robustness properties and thus deserves respect and holding the control. Here you say it did not endure much as a single structure to consider/test with Lindy, as it got changed significantly and many times, thus we maybe should split it like “feudal civilization”, “democratic civilization”, etc.
The other interpretation I see is that yeah, it is one structure, but ASI will keep the structure, but lead (in) it. I enjoy that argument, but it would not fully work unless AIs get the status of a physical person, but would somewhat work when it can gather human proxies whenever possible.
A counterpoint may be that human civilization is just the observable of underlying optimization processes (individual and group selection on several levels). Obviously this observable has had variance whenever a new advantage got widely adopted and civilization morphed into the memeplex of whoever had the advantage. So from AI we shouldn’t expect this process to suddenly stop. However, the entities with the next advantage may well be agentic AIs.
I’m excited to find your comment, osten, that reads as a pretty insightful view to me.
Let me restate what I understood your light( and welcome) critique to be: I have put “human civilization” out as an actor which lasted/endured a long time which heuristically suggests it has high resilience and robustness properties and thus deserves respect and holding the control. Here you say it did not endure much as a single structure to consider/test with Lindy, as it got changed significantly and many times, thus we maybe should split it like “feudal civilization”, “democratic civilization”, etc.
The other interpretation I see is that yeah, it is one structure, but ASI will keep the structure, but lead (in) it. I enjoy that argument, but it would not fully work unless AIs get the status of a physical person, but would somewhat work when it can gather human proxies whenever possible.