Don’t be too taken aback if you receive negative karma or some pushback—it is unfortunately expected for posts on this topic taking a position anti to the Orthogonality Thesis.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with presenting arguments that the orthogonality thesis might be false. However, if those arguments are poorly argued or just rehash previously argued points without adding anything new then they’re likely to be downvoted.
I actually almost upvoted this because I want folks to discuss this topic, but ultimately downvoted because it doesn’t actually engage in arguments that seem likely to convince anyone who believes the orthogonality thesis. It’s mostly just pointing at a set of intuitions that cause surprise at the orthogonality thesis and trying to say it’s just “obviously” wrong without making a real case.
Less Wrong does have topics where I think the readership can be kind of dumb and downvote posts because they don’t want to hear about it, but this isn’t one of them.
And Gordon Seidoh Worley is not saying there can’t be good arguments against orthogonality thesis that would deserve uovotes, just that this one is not one of those.
I can’t upvote this sadly, because I do not have the karma, but I would if I did.
There is another post about this as well.
Don’t be too taken aback if you receive negative karma or some pushback—it is unfortunately expected for posts on this topic taking a position anti to the Orthogonality Thesis.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with presenting arguments that the orthogonality thesis might be false. However, if those arguments are poorly argued or just rehash previously argued points without adding anything new then they’re likely to be downvoted.
I actually almost upvoted this because I want folks to discuss this topic, but ultimately downvoted because it doesn’t actually engage in arguments that seem likely to convince anyone who believes the orthogonality thesis. It’s mostly just pointing at a set of intuitions that cause surprise at the orthogonality thesis and trying to say it’s just “obviously” wrong without making a real case.
Less Wrong does have topics where I think the readership can be kind of dumb and downvote posts because they don’t want to hear about it, but this isn’t one of them.
To be fair, I’m not saying it’s obviously wrong; I’m saying it’s not obviously true, which is what many people seem to believe!
And Gordon Seidoh Worley is not saying there can’t be good arguments against orthogonality thesis that would deserve uovotes, just that this one is not one of those.