Depends on details, and I don’t know exactly where to draw the line.
Justice for the sake of justice, in the Old Testament style “I will place a tasty apple in front of you, and if you fail the marshmallow test, I will make you and your descendants suffer” seems clearly monstrous to me.
Some kind of “if you hurt others, you will be hurt proportionally” seems completely fair.
There is a gray area somewhere in between.
I don’t think that my argument changes substantially depending on how we round up the gray area. Yes, some people will be there, but I expect many to be CEV-monsters from the perspective of us both, even if some of them will consider e.g. “if someone doesn’t believe in my religion, they deserve to be tortured forever” to be a perfectly fair and good rule, and would be horrified by an alternative. (I am not going to be a relativist here and apply the label “good” generously to anyone who believes themselves to be good, regardless of their actions. Existence of a sincere paperclip worshiper would not make tiling the universe with paperclips a good outcome.)
Depends on details, and I don’t know exactly where to draw the line.
Justice for the sake of justice, in the Old Testament style “I will place a tasty apple in front of you, and if you fail the marshmallow test, I will make you and your descendants suffer” seems clearly monstrous to me.
Some kind of “if you hurt others, you will be hurt proportionally” seems completely fair.
There is a gray area somewhere in between.
I don’t think that my argument changes substantially depending on how we round up the gray area. Yes, some people will be there, but I expect many to be CEV-monsters from the perspective of us both, even if some of them will consider e.g. “if someone doesn’t believe in my religion, they deserve to be tortured forever” to be a perfectly fair and good rule, and would be horrified by an alternative. (I am not going to be a relativist here and apply the label “good” generously to anyone who believes themselves to be good, regardless of their actions. Existence of a sincere paperclip worshiper would not make tiling the universe with paperclips a good outcome.)
OK, sounds reasonable.