I imagine this would be hard to sell (in the sense of getting them to let you hook into their votes and calculate karma and use it to determine what users see) to companies like Facebook and Twitter that show you lots of content that you can vote on. My guess is because they want control over what people see so they can optimize it for things they care about, like generating ad revenue or engagement. For many sites, what the user wants is just an input to consider; the site is optimizing for other things that may not reflect the users preferences but that’s okay so long as more the desired objective is obtained, like placing ads that people click on.
Agreed, incentives probably block this from being picked up by megacorps. I had thought to try and get Musk’s twitter to adopt it at one point when he was talking about bots a lot, it would be very effective, but doesn’t allow rent extraction in the same way the solution he settled on (paid twitter blue).
Websites which have the slack to allow users to improve their experience even if it costs engagement might be better adopters, LessWrong has shown they will do this with e.g. batching karma daily by default to avoid dopamine addiction.
Paid Twitter blue seems to be quite competitive. The algorithm could just weigh paid Twitter blue users more highly than users that aren’t Twitter blue.
As far as Megacorps go, Youtube likely wouldn’t want this for its video ranking, but it might want it for the comment sections of videos. If the EigenKarma from the owner of a Youtube channel would set the ranking of comments within Youtube that would increase the comment quality by a lot.
Would it be possible to make an opt-in EigenKarma layer on top of twitter (but independent from it)? I can imagine parsing say 100k most popular twitter accounts plus all of personal tweets and likes of people who opted in to the EigenKarma layer, and then building a customised twitter feed for them
I imagine this would be hard to sell (in the sense of getting them to let you hook into their votes and calculate karma and use it to determine what users see) to companies like Facebook and Twitter that show you lots of content that you can vote on. My guess is because they want control over what people see so they can optimize it for things they care about, like generating ad revenue or engagement. For many sites, what the user wants is just an input to consider; the site is optimizing for other things that may not reflect the users preferences but that’s okay so long as more the desired objective is obtained, like placing ads that people click on.
Agreed, incentives probably block this from being picked up by megacorps. I had thought to try and get Musk’s twitter to adopt it at one point when he was talking about bots a lot, it would be very effective, but doesn’t allow rent extraction in the same way the solution he settled on (paid twitter blue).
Websites which have the slack to allow users to improve their experience even if it costs engagement might be better adopters, LessWrong has shown they will do this with e.g. batching karma daily by default to avoid dopamine addiction.
Paid Twitter blue seems to be quite competitive. The algorithm could just weigh paid Twitter blue users more highly than users that aren’t Twitter blue.
As far as Megacorps go, Youtube likely wouldn’t want this for its video ranking, but it might want it for the comment sections of videos. If the EigenKarma from the owner of a Youtube channel would set the ranking of comments within Youtube that would increase the comment quality by a lot.
Would it be possible to make an opt-in EigenKarma layer on top of twitter (but independent from it)? I can imagine parsing say 100k most popular twitter accounts plus all of personal tweets and likes of people who opted in to the EigenKarma layer, and then building a customised twitter feed for them