After reading the screenshots (linked in the Google Docs link) of Alice’s conversation with Drew, I mostly don’t agree with the claim that Alice was lying*. For one thing, the December 15 exchange with Drew indicates that he ultimately did not bring her dinner because he didn’t want to get fast food or drive more than 12 minutes away (he did later offer to bring her a salad from the place he ended up going to, which she declined.) This is a pretty different picture than the conclusion one would draw from just reading the screenshot embedded in the post, which makes it sound like Alice did receive her requested impossible burger.
I read the linked screenshot as Alice communicating that she is basically out of food she can eat, making a few requests to get food that met her dietary restrictions, encountering social friction, and giving up.
(I also think it normally isn’t an employer’s responsibility to deliver food to their sick employee, but also normally employees don’t live with their employers in a foreign country with no other support network, which to me changes the picture substantially).
*edit: That is, the screenshots don’t convince me that this claim in particular (quoted in the post) was a lie: “Alice claims she was sick with covid in a foreign country, with only the three Nonlinear cofounders around, but nobody in the house was willing to go out and get her vegan food, so she barely ate for 2 days.”
also edit: also see KPier’s more thorough comment here
Not sure why no one picks up on the fact that the list you refer to in 1.) is hard to make an edible meal from.
You mention oatmeal and cereal, but if there is no vegan milk substitute to eat with it, how is she supposed to consume it? Eat it dry, or mixed with water? Nuts and fruit are fine for a snack but I don’t think it’s unreasable to refuse to eat only nuts/fruit for a day or more. The only thing I could reasonably see in that list that could be made into a warm meal is cooking quinoa and serving with nuts and tomatoes. I could well imagine why someone might not consider it a passable meal though, eg if she didn’t like quinoa.
Seeing you consider this random list of ingredients sufficient “vegan food” makes me think you didn’t particularly consider her position.
I did go out to get the potatoes. When I was sick myself.
It was very hard to find vegan food in the area, and I read through all of the different products in the store, looking to make sure they didn’t have any sneaky non-vegan ingredients, like whey.
2) She was not an employee of Nonlinear at the time, just a friend. Ben’s post said she was, but that was a factual inaccuracy, one of many we are working hard to correct in our forthcoming post.
Thanks for sharing.
After reading the screenshots (linked in the Google Docs link) of Alice’s conversation with Drew, I mostly don’t agree with the claim that Alice was lying*. For one thing, the December 15 exchange with Drew indicates that he ultimately did not bring her dinner because he didn’t want to get fast food or drive more than 12 minutes away (he did later offer to bring her a salad from the place he ended up going to, which she declined.) This is a pretty different picture than the conclusion one would draw from just reading the screenshot embedded in the post, which makes it sound like Alice did receive her requested impossible burger.
I read the linked screenshot as Alice communicating that she is basically out of food she can eat, making a few requests to get food that met her dietary restrictions, encountering social friction, and giving up.
(I also think it normally isn’t an employer’s responsibility to deliver food to their sick employee, but also normally employees don’t live with their employers in a foreign country with no other support network, which to me changes the picture substantially).
*edit: That is, the screenshots don’t convince me that this claim in particular (quoted in the post) was a lie: “Alice claims she was sick with covid in a foreign country, with only the three Nonlinear cofounders around, but nobody in the house was willing to go out and get her vegan food, so she barely ate for 2 days.”
also edit: also see KPier’s more thorough comment here
She said “nobody in the house was willing to go out and get her vegan food”, but you can see that
There was vegan food in the house. We offered her oatmeal, quinoa, peanuts, almonds, prunes, tomatoes, cereal, and an orange, which were in the house.
I picked her up mashed potatoes and cooked it for her on that day. Despite the fact that I was also sick (eventually found out it was covid).
In the conversation with Drew, she says it’s fine, because she has mashed potatoes.
She said that we didn’t bring her vegan food and we did. The text messages show that.
Where are we disagreeing?
Not sure why no one picks up on the fact that the list you refer to in 1.) is hard to make an edible meal from.
You mention oatmeal and cereal, but if there is no vegan milk substitute to eat with it, how is she supposed to consume it? Eat it dry, or mixed with water? Nuts and fruit are fine for a snack but I don’t think it’s unreasable to refuse to eat only nuts/fruit for a day or more. The only thing I could reasonably see in that list that could be made into a warm meal is cooking quinoa and serving with nuts and tomatoes. I could well imagine why someone might not consider it a passable meal though, eg if she didn’t like quinoa.
Seeing you consider this random list of ingredients sufficient “vegan food” makes me think you didn’t particularly consider her position.
When I eat oatmeal or cereal, I almost never eat it with milk (non-vegan or otherwise). I soak oats in boiling water, and eat cereal dry.
You both agree that no one was willing to bring Alice vegan food that she wanted from outside the house.
You disagree about relevance/importance of the fact that there was different vegan food available for her.
I did go out to get the potatoes. When I was sick myself.
It was very hard to find vegan food in the area, and I read through all of the different products in the store, looking to make sure they didn’t have any sneaky non-vegan ingredients, like whey.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
1) I disagree with that interpretation.
2) She was not an employee of Nonlinear at the time, just a friend. Ben’s post said she was, but that was a factual inaccuracy, one of many we are working hard to correct in our forthcoming post.