They actually seem pretty different to me. Searle’s original claim was that computer programs won’t have “intentionality” (which seems like a confused/useless concept but I haven’t digged into it enough to be sure) even if they exhibit intelligent input-output behavior. Kaj’s steelman claims that systems based on crude manipulations of suggestively named tokens likely won’t be intelligent, whereas your (cousin_it’s) steelman claims that a system may not be conscious even if it exhibits human-like (and hence intelligent) input-output behavior. These seem to go in very different directions.
cousin_it, aren’t you forgetting that the rules of the Chinese Room are different than those of Turing’s imitation game? While Turing does not let you in the other test room, Searle grants you complete access to the code of the program.
If you could really work out a (Chinese) brain digital upload, you could develop a theory of consciousness/intelligence/intentionality from it.
Unfortunately, artificial neural networks bear no connection to the brain, like ELIZA bears no connection to a human!
They actually seem pretty different to me. Searle’s original claim was that computer programs won’t have “intentionality” (which seems like a confused/useless concept but I haven’t digged into it enough to be sure) even if they exhibit intelligent input-output behavior. Kaj’s steelman claims that systems based on crude manipulations of suggestively named tokens likely won’t be intelligent, whereas your (cousin_it’s) steelman claims that a system may not be conscious even if it exhibits human-like (and hence intelligent) input-output behavior. These seem to go in very different directions.
It’s what parrots and chatbots uncontroversially have not got -- the ability to know what they are saying.
I guess the connection is that simple systems can seem surprisingly human-like. Phil Goetz made a similar point in We Are Eliza.
cousin_it, aren’t you forgetting that the rules of the Chinese Room are different than those of Turing’s imitation game? While Turing does not let you in the other test room, Searle grants you complete access to the code of the program. If you could really work out a (Chinese) brain digital upload, you could develop a theory of consciousness/intelligence/intentionality from it. Unfortunately, artificial neural networks bear no connection to the brain, like ELIZA bears no connection to a human!