Think of a pinball machine that moves a ball in complex ways and entirely built and defined as moving operations. Then you put in a red ball and the pinball machine spits out a blue ball. This is surprising as no operation should color the ball. One can’t explain with kinetic energy conversation that color conversion should be impossible.
The key to solve this problem is that extra energy was applied somewhere else, like a color machine, and this is an open system, so conservation of energy does not hold here.
If it is open, how do we know how much energy there is supposed to be, to determine that there is extra?
If we have built the machine and therefore are quite sure that there are no surprise coloring machines then the various part placements can not be the detail where we screwed up.
Why would applying a surprise jolt of energy on the ball change its color? Imagine that you find a particular bumber before which the ball is red and after which it is blue. Why would calling this bumber a “coloring machine” explain anything? Would the blue ball leaving with a tiny bit of speed deficiency explain why the ball got colored or why it is this specific bumber rather than all the others which have come from the same assembly line?
I was of course talking about a coloring machine, though one important point is with enough energy directed in the right way, you can do things like simulate a coloring machine and then add new color.
Energy, properly applied and enough energy, can do nearly everything, like changing the color.
I will give that bumber became a superpowered arcane user that can with miniscule energy make unknown effects.
It would still be interesting that this ended up happening starting by taking out a factory-standard bumber part and setting out to build a non-magical pinball machine. That is you are not trying to make a coloring machine happen. You do not have any reason to believe any unknown high-tech spy would be interested to be gaslighting you. As long as you can be super sure that you saw it blue and super sure you saw it red and that you were not trying to make it happen, you have reason to believe you do not understand what you ended up doing.
Maybe you try to look a bit more into it and try a geiger counter on the ball. Before machine it doesn’t radiate and after machine it radiates. You could feel good and go “I invented an irradiator!” or you could try to hunt down an irradiator bumber in the pinball machine. But you still do not know how you did it.
There could be any number of properties that you could learn to check your balls for. The claim is not that you need to learn all these properties to master predicting the kinetics of the pinball. The claim is not that the new properties would be a source of infinite or absurd amount of kinetic energy. The kinetics works as predicted and is closed in regards to all these other things. Learning about new properties does not change the fact that you saw the ball previously bounce around the machine. The claim is that your mastery of kinetics can not explain the machine turning out to be a converter for property number 56.
Maybe you think that kinetics can not be closed in regards to other properties. “Kinetics is everything”. Then when you try to blueprint the pinball machine in meticilous detail you should be able to predict all the other properties. Then showing what kind of ball went in and what kind of ball came out, you should be 100% be able to determine whether it was put in your unmeddled machine or in some other machine.
But meticulousness is hard and in your non-omnisciene you can only do that to the practical limit. So you learn about new property number 12. Unassembled you test each bumber separately what kind of effect it has on the ball. Your friends ask that since you always master the latest discovered property first whether you have done it for number 12 yet. You feel confident. Then you assemble the pinball machine. And put a ball through the machine. If you are surprised whether it is a property 12 converter then you have knowledge that your mastery is not at a level of what is possible to construct and measure practically.
So claims of the form “you need to keep track of property number 9 in order to be able to practically predict what happens about practically doable measurements of property 10” do not accept unknown unknowns as an excuse.
Claims of the form “you can mixup properties 8 and 7 and it will not have a practical or observable difference” combined with not being able to be close kinetics away from them means that existence of of such properties is a settleable question.
If intelligence and conciousness are separate properties and we can contain an argument to be about intelligence only, it cannot inform us about conciousness.
If intelligence and conciousness are connected properties we can not claim that an argument about one of them is irrelevant in regards to the other.
The key to solve this problem is that extra energy was applied somewhere else, like a color machine, and this is an open system, so conservation of energy does not hold here.
If it is open, how do we know how much energy there is supposed to be, to determine that there is extra?
If we have built the machine and therefore are quite sure that there are no surprise coloring machines then the various part placements can not be the detail where we screwed up.
Why would applying a surprise jolt of energy on the ball change its color? Imagine that you find a particular bumber before which the ball is red and after which it is blue. Why would calling this bumber a “coloring machine” explain anything? Would the blue ball leaving with a tiny bit of speed deficiency explain why the ball got colored or why it is this specific bumber rather than all the others which have come from the same assembly line?
I was of course talking about a coloring machine, though one important point is with enough energy directed in the right way, you can do things like simulate a coloring machine and then add new color.
Energy, properly applied and enough energy, can do nearly everything, like changing the color.
I will give that bumber became a superpowered arcane user that can with miniscule energy make unknown effects.
It would still be interesting that this ended up happening starting by taking out a factory-standard bumber part and setting out to build a non-magical pinball machine. That is you are not trying to make a coloring machine happen. You do not have any reason to believe any unknown high-tech spy would be interested to be gaslighting you. As long as you can be super sure that you saw it blue and super sure you saw it red and that you were not trying to make it happen, you have reason to believe you do not understand what you ended up doing.
Maybe you try to look a bit more into it and try a geiger counter on the ball. Before machine it doesn’t radiate and after machine it radiates. You could feel good and go “I invented an irradiator!” or you could try to hunt down an irradiator bumber in the pinball machine. But you still do not know how you did it.
There could be any number of properties that you could learn to check your balls for. The claim is not that you need to learn all these properties to master predicting the kinetics of the pinball. The claim is not that the new properties would be a source of infinite or absurd amount of kinetic energy. The kinetics works as predicted and is closed in regards to all these other things. Learning about new properties does not change the fact that you saw the ball previously bounce around the machine. The claim is that your mastery of kinetics can not explain the machine turning out to be a converter for property number 56.
Maybe you think that kinetics can not be closed in regards to other properties. “Kinetics is everything”. Then when you try to blueprint the pinball machine in meticilous detail you should be able to predict all the other properties. Then showing what kind of ball went in and what kind of ball came out, you should be 100% be able to determine whether it was put in your unmeddled machine or in some other machine.
But meticulousness is hard and in your non-omnisciene you can only do that to the practical limit. So you learn about new property number 12. Unassembled you test each bumber separately what kind of effect it has on the ball. Your friends ask that since you always master the latest discovered property first whether you have done it for number 12 yet. You feel confident. Then you assemble the pinball machine. And put a ball through the machine. If you are surprised whether it is a property 12 converter then you have knowledge that your mastery is not at a level of what is possible to construct and measure practically.
So claims of the form “you need to keep track of property number 9 in order to be able to practically predict what happens about practically doable measurements of property 10” do not accept unknown unknowns as an excuse.
Claims of the form “you can mixup properties 8 and 7 and it will not have a practical or observable difference” combined with not being able to be close kinetics away from them means that existence of of such properties is a settleable question.
If intelligence and conciousness are separate properties and we can contain an argument to be about intelligence only, it cannot inform us about conciousness.
If intelligence and conciousness are connected properties we can not claim that an argument about one of them is irrelevant in regards to the other.