In my opinion, Project Lawful / planecrash is a terrible reference in addition to being written in a seriously annoying format. Although I have read it, I don’t recommend that anyone else read it. If any of the material in it should become some sort of shared culture that we should assume others in the community have read, it would require completely rewriting the entire thing from beginning to end.
I am not one of the two voters who initially downvoted, but I understand why they might have done so. I have weakly downvoted your comment for having made a load-bearing link between someone not having read Project Lawful and calling them “an NPC” in your sense, which is not the standard of discourse I want to see.
If you were expecting this person to have read this extremely niche and frankly bizarre work of fiction without having confirmed that they have actually read it and understood and fully agree with some relevant decision theory parts in it, then that seems pretty unwise of you and their not having done so does not reflect in any way poorly upon them.
“You didn’t act like I think the fictional character Keltham would have” is not a reasonable criticism of anyone.
There may or may not be some other unspecified actions they may have performed that do reflect poorly upon them, but those do not appear to connect in any way with this post.
I think many people around me would’ve had the same assumption that this particular person read planecrash. I don’t want to say more as I probably don’t want to say that they specifically did that because I think their goals are still similar to my, even if they’re very mistaken and are doing some very counterproductive things, and I definitely want to err on the side on not harming someone’s life/social status without a strong reason why it would be good for the community to know a fact about them.
NPC-like behavior was mostly due to them doing the thing they seemed to ascribe to themselves as what they should just be doing in their role, without willingness to really consider arguments; planecrash was just a thing that would’ve given them the argument why you shouldn’t take the specific actions they’ve taken. (Basic human decency and friendship would also suffice, but if someone read planecrash and still did the thing I would not want to deal with them in any way in the future, the way you wouldn’t want to deal with someone who just screws you over for no reason.)
“You didn’t act like I think the fictional character Keltham would have” is not a reasonable criticism of anyone.
I agree; it was largely what they did, which has nothing to do with planecrash. There are just some norms, that I expect it would be good for the community to have, that one implicitly learns from planecrash.
I didn’t down-vote and I think planecrash is amazing. But FYI referring to other humans as NPCs, even if you elaborate and make it clear what you mean, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. If you were a random person I didn’t know anything about, and this was the first thing I read from you*, I’d think you were a bad person and I’d want nothing to do with you.
Not judging you, just informing you about my intuitive immediate reaction to your choice of words. Plausible other people who did downvote felt similar.
(Yep, it was me ranting about experiencing someone betraying my trust in a fairly sad way, who I really didn’t expect to do that, and who was very non-smart/weirdly scripted about doing it, and it was very surprising until I learned that they’ve not read planecrash. I normally don’t go around viewing anyone this way; and I dislike it when (very rarely! i can’t recall any other situations like that!) I do feel this way about someone.)
In my opinion, Project Lawful / planecrash is a terrible reference in addition to being written in a seriously annoying format. Although I have read it, I don’t recommend that anyone else read it. If any of the material in it should become some sort of shared culture that we should assume others in the community have read, it would require completely rewriting the entire thing from beginning to end.
I am not one of the two voters who initially downvoted, but I understand why they might have done so. I have weakly downvoted your comment for having made a load-bearing link between someone not having read Project Lawful and calling them “an NPC” in your sense, which is not the standard of discourse I want to see.
If you were expecting this person to have read this extremely niche and frankly bizarre work of fiction without having confirmed that they have actually read it and understood and fully agree with some relevant decision theory parts in it, then that seems pretty unwise of you and their not having done so does not reflect in any way poorly upon them.
“You didn’t act like I think the fictional character Keltham would have” is not a reasonable criticism of anyone.
There may or may not be some other unspecified actions they may have performed that do reflect poorly upon them, but those do not appear to connect in any way with this post.
I think many people around me would’ve had the same assumption that this particular person read planecrash. I don’t want to say more as I probably don’t want to say that they specifically did that because I think their goals are still similar to my, even if they’re very mistaken and are doing some very counterproductive things, and I definitely want to err on the side on not harming someone’s life/social status without a strong reason why it would be good for the community to know a fact about them.
NPC-like behavior was mostly due to them doing the thing they seemed to ascribe to themselves as what they should just be doing in their role, without willingness to really consider arguments; planecrash was just a thing that would’ve given them the argument why you shouldn’t take the specific actions they’ve taken. (Basic human decency and friendship would also suffice, but if someone read planecrash and still did the thing I would not want to deal with them in any way in the future, the way you wouldn’t want to deal with someone who just screws you over for no reason.)
I agree; it was largely what they did, which has nothing to do with planecrash. There are just some norms, that I expect it would be good for the community to have, that one implicitly learns from planecrash.
I didn’t down-vote and I think planecrash is amazing. But FYI referring to other humans as NPCs, even if you elaborate and make it clear what you mean, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. If you were a random person I didn’t know anything about, and this was the first thing I read from you*, I’d think you were a bad person and I’d want nothing to do with you.
Not judging you, just informing you about my intuitive immediate reaction to your choice of words. Plausible other people who did downvote felt similar.
*referring to your first comment
Thanks, that’s helpful!
(Yep, it was me ranting about experiencing someone betraying my trust in a fairly sad way, who I really didn’t expect to do that, and who was very non-smart/weirdly scripted about doing it, and it was very surprising until I learned that they’ve not read planecrash. I normally don’t go around viewing anyone this way; and I dislike it when (very rarely! i can’t recall any other situations like that!) I do feel this way about someone.)