Surely the problem with “state non-obvious takes in an obvious tone, and decline to elaborate” bulldozing is that it violates the maxim that beliefs should be supported with arguments and evidence? (And the reason for the maxim is that even the smartest human experts aren’t infallible; if not subjected to the rigor of the debate algorithm, they’re going to get things wrong.) It seems misplaced to focus on emotionally bad experiences and punctured excitement.
That’s relevant, but I’m largely not discussing group epistemics. I’m discussing the community impact of social norms. That impact is measured in human well-being, productivity, and happiness, as well as the height of the sanity waterline. Concretely—if I treat my colleagues in a rude and angry manner, that imposes costs on them. In that situation, whether or not I’m making correct verbal claims, that’s generally not a good community to be a part of, and it’s not a good way to treat people.
Emotionally bad experiences are an extremely relevant quantity to discuss.
(I don’t expect to engage further due to our past unfruitful interactions on similar topics.)
EDIT: Also, clarification that the “bulldozing” incident did not primarily consist of “state non-obvious takes in an obvious tone, and decline to elaborate.”
EDIT: Also, clarification that the “bulldozing” incident did not primarily consist of “state non-obvious takes in an obvious tone, and decline to elaborate.”
What did it consist of? Have you described it somewhere?
Surely the problem with “state non-obvious takes in an obvious tone, and decline to elaborate” bulldozing is that it violates the maxim that beliefs should be supported with arguments and evidence? (And the reason for the maxim is that even the smartest human experts aren’t infallible; if not subjected to the rigor of the debate algorithm, they’re going to get things wrong.) It seems misplaced to focus on emotionally bad experiences and punctured excitement.
That’s relevant, but I’m largely not discussing group epistemics. I’m discussing the community impact of social norms. That impact is measured in human well-being, productivity, and happiness, as well as the height of the sanity waterline. Concretely—if I treat my colleagues in a rude and angry manner, that imposes costs on them. In that situation, whether or not I’m making correct verbal claims, that’s generally not a good community to be a part of, and it’s not a good way to treat people.
Emotionally bad experiences are an extremely relevant quantity to discuss.
(I don’t expect to engage further due to our past unfruitful interactions on similar topics.)
EDIT: Also, clarification that the “bulldozing” incident did not primarily consist of “state non-obvious takes in an obvious tone, and decline to elaborate.”
What did it consist of? Have you described it somewhere?