a person who spends a lot of time Circling developing the ability to look in the process. At the same time I wouldn’t expect them to renunciation their self.
I agree that the process could lead there, except that I do see the potential non-self experiences almost definitely. By analysing how we relate you end up trying to get a feel for phenomenalism (which you describe very well). In the process of getting the hang of subject-object relating experience you can pretty easily drop the self.
Related, NVC was part of my path and a missing key to my map that helped me to making sense of non-duality by general accident (I wasn’t aiming for enlightenment I just go down lots of rabbit holes).
I don’t think the word non-duality indicates self transcendence and/or self renunciation. There isn’t only a single way to deal with non-duality.
If you have a clear connection with your felt sense that creates a relationship with your body that makes it clearly your own soma in a very phenomenal basic way.
If you go well through naming an emotion and giving it a handle you create a felt shift as you engage with it.
If you spend 4 hours sitting and focused on your breath you don’t engage with any emotions that might come up during the time. You are mindful of them but you don’t connect with them or label them.
I’m not sure whether the following is true for you but it was comes intuitively to me and simply expressing my intuitions might be good for providing more substance to understand my perspective:
I could imagine a rationalist who attempts to do NVC to do it without connecting to any of his emotions and thus end up in a place where he detaches from his self but I would consider that partly cargo-culting NVC.
I agree that the process could lead there, except that I do see the potential non-self experiences almost definitely. By analysing how we relate you end up trying to get a feel for phenomenalism (which you describe very well). In the process of getting the hang of subject-object relating experience you can pretty easily drop the self.
Related, NVC was part of my path and a missing key to my map that helped me to making sense of non-duality by general accident (I wasn’t aiming for enlightenment I just go down lots of rabbit holes).
I don’t think the word non-duality indicates self transcendence and/or self renunciation. There isn’t only a single way to deal with non-duality.
If you have a clear connection with your felt sense that creates a relationship with your body that makes it clearly your own soma in a very phenomenal basic way.
If you go well through naming an emotion and giving it a handle you create a felt shift as you engage with it.
If you spend 4 hours sitting and focused on your breath you don’t engage with any emotions that might come up during the time. You are mindful of them but you don’t connect with them or label them.
I’m not sure whether the following is true for you but it was comes intuitively to me and simply expressing my intuitions might be good for providing more substance to understand my perspective:
I could imagine a rationalist who attempts to do NVC to do it without connecting to any of his emotions and thus end up in a place where he detaches from his self but I would consider that partly cargo-culting NVC.
Agreed. Edit: also that’s kinds a straw rationalist but yes.