And it seems like, as long as the US government is aware of an AI project, there will be a lot it will be able to do to shut the project down if desired. For foreign projects, there will be the possibility of a Stuxnet-style attack, though the government might be reluctant to do that against a nuclear power like China or Russia (or would it?)
The US government doesn’t even manage to shut down Chinese cyber army groups that attack US targets.
That’s a good point. Cyber-targets may be harder to sabotage than nuclear centrifuges.
EDIT: On the other hand, to the extent that AI is hard, it may be more vulnerable to sabotage than cyber warfare projects. Big problem is ease of making backups.
So, the situation is that there are indicators that a Chinese group is developing an AI. And you are saying it would be a good thing for the US government to go in and blow it up. Is that about right?
I”m not making a judgement about whether or not it would be a good thing. I’m saying that I don’t believe it will happen even if you could convince the US government to be against AGI development.
Depends on the degree. If the US government is firmly convinced that if the AGI project is allowed to come to fruition it will be all paperclips all the time, why, it might as well bomb Beijing (or whatever city is appropriate).
On the other hand, if the the US government thinks that there might be some danger from the AGI project but the danger of a nuclear exchange with China is, ahem, a bigger issue, then it would not and it would be a good thing.
If you’re not making a judgement then I don’t see much point in this branch, anyway. The US government is not a global government, most of the time. So what?
The US government doesn’t even manage to shut down Chinese cyber army groups that attack US targets.
That’s a good point. Cyber-targets may be harder to sabotage than nuclear centrifuges.
EDIT: On the other hand, to the extent that AI is hard, it may be more vulnerable to sabotage than cyber warfare projects. Big problem is ease of making backups.
And how do you imagine it might do that?
Drone strikes on Chinese cities sound… a teeny bit unwise.
The point is that taking down a Chinese group that develops an AI would be as hard or harder than taking down a Chinese cyber army group.
I am a bit confused about the context.
So, the situation is that there are indicators that a Chinese group is developing an AI. And you are saying it would be a good thing for the US government to go in and blow it up. Is that about right?
I”m not making a judgement about whether or not it would be a good thing. I’m saying that I don’t believe it will happen even if you could convince the US government to be against AGI development.
Depends on the degree. If the US government is firmly convinced that if the AGI project is allowed to come to fruition it will be all paperclips all the time, why, it might as well bomb Beijing (or whatever city is appropriate).
On the other hand, if the the US government thinks that there might be some danger from the AGI project but the danger of a nuclear exchange with China is, ahem, a bigger issue, then it would not and it would be a good thing.
If you’re not making a judgement then I don’t see much point in this branch, anyway. The US government is not a global government, most of the time. So what?
This is a question I’m quite interested in. Can you recommend any good sources on the subject?
I think the report of Mandiant on APT1 provides good information.
Thanks! Any additional sources will be much appreciated.