Can you please elaborate on what important thing you think is lost?
imagine i try to explain some proof in geometry to my hypothetical friend that think in feeling. I’m trying to explain her congruent triangles. and she replay to me—“so if there are three things that same you feel like it’s the same triangle, but you need to have at least one side, because angles doesn’t feel real enough to you?”
and, like, this is not wrong description, per se. she will be able to recognize congruent triangles. but I still notice that it doesn’t look like she understand the concept of proof at all!
I can describe the different predictions that I can make when i say something is a urge or a goal—when it’s urge i can’t fail to get it, i do the thing i want to do, and feel satisfied. while in goal i want to change the world state, and i can try to achieve the goal, and fail, and be unsatisfied. but this only can explain why i think there are two clusters here, and it’s not what I’m trying to do.
but what I’m actually trying to do is to connect personal experience with words. didn’t you ever feel the impulse to do something, and then did that, and then turned out the result is not what you wanted and was disappointed? didn’t you ever have the impulse to do something, and did that, and was satisfied, despite the result wasn’t what you ostensibly want?
those are the words that i use to describe this two experiences of mine.
I can describe the different predictions that I can make when i say something is a urge or a goal—when it’s urge i can’t fail to get it, i do the thing i want to do, and feel satisfied.
This is not my experience. When I act on an urge, I do not necessarily feel satisfied. There is generally some pleasure associated with the act, but it can be extremely fleeting and short-lived.
This fleeting pleasure is better than nothing, and I will often act on an urge in order to get this feeling. But after the feeling has passed, I do not feel satisfied.
I only feel satisfied after I have accomplished something that feels valuable—a goal.
Interesting! I wonder to what extend we are different physiologically, to what extend we use different words to describe same experiences, and to what extend our opinions on things shapes our experiences. alas, we don’t have a way to communicate our feelings directly, yet. and I honestly have no idea how to check.
Well, I am somewhat anhedoniac by nature. There are a lot of positive experiences which many (most?) people report and which I do not recognize. For example, the sunset does nothing for me. Sex has its moments but is overall disappointing and a far cry from its reputation. Live concerts are described by some as borderline religious experiences; for me they are cool and fun but nothing really exceptional.
Fortunately, my Buddhist-inspired meditation practice is helping me discover more joy in life.
What is CEV?
That is how I would explain it.
Can you please elaborate on what important thing you think is lost?
Coherent Extrapolated Volition
this look to me like failure in Noticing Frame Differences
imagine i try to explain some proof in geometry to my hypothetical friend that think in feeling. I’m trying to explain her congruent triangles. and she replay to me—“so if there are three things that same you feel like it’s the same triangle, but you need to have at least one side, because angles doesn’t feel real enough to you?”
and, like, this is not wrong description, per se. she will be able to recognize congruent triangles. but I still notice that it doesn’t look like she understand the concept of proof at all!
I can describe the different predictions that I can make when i say something is a urge or a goal—when it’s urge i can’t fail to get it, i do the thing i want to do, and feel satisfied. while in goal i want to change the world state, and i can try to achieve the goal, and fail, and be unsatisfied. but this only can explain why i think there are two clusters here, and it’s not what I’m trying to do.
but what I’m actually trying to do is to connect personal experience with words. didn’t you ever feel the impulse to do something, and then did that, and then turned out the result is not what you wanted and was disappointed? didn’t you ever have the impulse to do something, and did that, and was satisfied, despite the result wasn’t what you ostensibly want?
those are the words that i use to describe this two experiences of mine.
This is not my experience. When I act on an urge, I do not necessarily feel satisfied. There is generally some pleasure associated with the act, but it can be extremely fleeting and short-lived.
This fleeting pleasure is better than nothing, and I will often act on an urge in order to get this feeling. But after the feeling has passed, I do not feel satisfied.
I only feel satisfied after I have accomplished something that feels valuable—a goal.
Interesting! I wonder to what extend we are different physiologically, to what extend we use different words to describe same experiences, and to what extend our opinions on things shapes our experiences. alas, we don’t have a way to communicate our feelings directly, yet. and I honestly have no idea how to check.
Well, I am somewhat anhedoniac by nature. There are a lot of positive experiences which many (most?) people report and which I do not recognize. For example, the sunset does nothing for me. Sex has its moments but is overall disappointing and a far cry from its reputation. Live concerts are described by some as borderline religious experiences; for me they are cool and fun but nothing really exceptional.
Fortunately, my Buddhist-inspired meditation practice is helping me discover more joy in life.