I agree that the honor system does not seem likely to accomplish the stated goal of reducing the presence of unvaccinated, unboosted people. Either of the other options (require proof, or don’t require the vaccine) seems better.
However, and please point me to the countervailing recent data if I’m missing something major, I really do find it baffling that this could be a context where that would be actually make a meaningful difference to a vaccinated and boosted attendee’s expected health outcomes. From what I have read the impact of vaccination on transmission falls off pretty sharply within a couple of months of getting boosted, even if the booster has the “right” strains. Plus, we’re all around unvaccinated people all the time without knowing who. Yes, there’s less close contact outside a dance, but it’s far more frequent. In other words: at this point I think we really should be treating vaccination as a way to reduce seriousness of infection, and accept that the choice of an event to mandate vaccination or not makes very little difference to the odds of getting covid. The rest of the world isn’t thinking that way, and dominates the risk profile.
And as disingenuous as this argument was in 2021, based on death rates this year, I have to ask: I assume if you require a covid vaccine you’re also requiring a flu vaccine? The numbers are obviously different, but they’re well within the same OOM of risk at this point.
I assume if you require a covid vaccine you’re also requiring a flu vaccine?
I mean, I’m not requiring anything. But I do think that events that decide to require covid vaccinations should generally also require flu vaccination, yes.
I agree that the honor system does not seem likely to accomplish the stated goal of reducing the presence of unvaccinated, unboosted people. Either of the other options (require proof, or don’t require the vaccine) seems better.
However, and please point me to the countervailing recent data if I’m missing something major, I really do find it baffling that this could be a context where that would be actually make a meaningful difference to a vaccinated and boosted attendee’s expected health outcomes. From what I have read the impact of vaccination on transmission falls off pretty sharply within a couple of months of getting boosted, even if the booster has the “right” strains. Plus, we’re all around unvaccinated people all the time without knowing who. Yes, there’s less close contact outside a dance, but it’s far more frequent. In other words: at this point I think we really should be treating vaccination as a way to reduce seriousness of infection, and accept that the choice of an event to mandate vaccination or not makes very little difference to the odds of getting covid. The rest of the world isn’t thinking that way, and dominates the risk profile.
And as disingenuous as this argument was in 2021, based on death rates this year, I have to ask: I assume if you require a covid vaccine you’re also requiring a flu vaccine? The numbers are obviously different, but they’re well within the same OOM of risk at this point.
I don’t disagree.
I mean, I’m not requiring anything. But I do think that events that decide to require covid vaccinations should generally also require flu vaccination, yes.
Fair enough, I should have made it a generic “you,” sorry about that.