Note: awhile ago I added this to our “potential things to curate” list.
I don’t really feel good about curating it as-is because a) it’s not super optimized to be a clear introduction to the topic, b) I don’t think the terminology as it currently is is that good, c) I think it could be a bit more clear about what it’s epistemic status is. (Or rather, the epistemic status here is clearly ’random un-distilled conversation”, but if it were distilled, it’d then become necessary to be more clear about what people are supposed to take away from it)
The ideas here have been brought up in other related discussions, enough such that I think there’d be value in putting the work into clarifying things better. I think it’s valuable for “Curated” to be the place people read to keep up with “new building blocks” for current discussion, but another important characteristic is clarity.
None of this is meant to be an obligation, just a note that “if Ben (or perhaps Jessica) were to put the time into optimizing this to be a good introduction to the medium-term discourse, I’d be interested in curating that.” (I checked with Habryka before posting this, did not run this particular comment by him but he indicated a similar viewpoint)
I think this isn’t well-enough-understood to have a set of standardized terms yet. The implied request is to try to model these things in the world yourself, and start trying to talk about them, so that *eventually* the discourse self-corrects into a crisp model that doesn’t imply absurdities like the “worlds” framework, and we can start naming things definitively. I don’t expect this to happen in public.
Which makes sense. But since it’s been brought up repeatedly as part of ongoing conversations, it seems worth making some kind of intermediate progress on helping people to grok the concept.
Note: awhile ago I added this to our “potential things to curate” list.
I don’t really feel good about curating it as-is because a) it’s not super optimized to be a clear introduction to the topic, b) I don’t think the terminology as it currently is is that good, c) I think it could be a bit more clear about what it’s epistemic status is. (Or rather, the epistemic status here is clearly ’random un-distilled conversation”, but if it were distilled, it’d then become necessary to be more clear about what people are supposed to take away from it)
The ideas here have been brought up in other related discussions, enough such that I think there’d be value in putting the work into clarifying things better. I think it’s valuable for “Curated” to be the place people read to keep up with “new building blocks” for current discussion, but another important characteristic is clarity.
None of this is meant to be an obligation, just a note that “if Ben (or perhaps Jessica) were to put the time into optimizing this to be a good introduction to the medium-term discourse, I’d be interested in curating that.” (I checked with Habryka before posting this, did not run this particular comment by him but he indicated a similar viewpoint)
Cool, this seems like decent reason to try to rewrite this in a slightly more polished way.
I realize that elsethread you mentioned:
Which makes sense. But since it’s been brought up repeatedly as part of ongoing conversations, it seems worth making some kind of intermediate progress on helping people to grok the concept.