I can make sense of authority from a subjectivist viewpoint. People might be suggestible, there might be some quirks of their psychology that make them behave in certain ways, ropes you can pull that get you specific results. That is a command can be a hack attempt to exploit the other. Assuming that the other is completely reflectively consistent might grant them exploit-freeness. But most real system do have hack vulnerabilities.
This might not be that popular a viewpoint because it can get very anti-coperative. If you argue someone into a position that they would transition away when reflecting it is not a stable reflection of deeper principles.
If you truly oppose Clippy you migth be morally fine trying to confuse and get them to act against their values to the extent that you can. But in polite company ethical discussion regressing a participant can get heavily frowned upon.
In hacking terms if you have root-access you are free to do as you please but that position might still be ill-gotten. You might not actually have any business wielding admin powers. The system doesn’t condition its compliance for intents and purposes but that it is given in the correct from and from the right channels. In this sense “authorization” doesn’t actually have to do with authority.
The “stop” can also seen as a suggestion given in the hopes that it finds purchase. I think being too knowledgeable about the perpetrators evil would make you not try or you would know that you effective before hand. Only when you don’t know by which mechanism the prompt would land would you give it a blind shot. It is like spitting out a conjecture in hopes they prove it to themselfs. If you knew of a proof you would state it, if you didn’t think they are intelligent enough to consider the matter you would stay silent.
In Milgrams experiment it is not required that the experimenter and test subject agree on ethics to a great degree. But the effect of the white coats suppressing the zealousness of the test subjects is a real thing. And I would think that the setup could be made make the opposite “moral authority” stance, like having Amnesty fliers on the walls or engaging in ethical discussion amid the “training” questions etc.
I can make sense of authority from a subjectivist viewpoint. People might be suggestible, there might be some quirks of their psychology that make them behave in certain ways, ropes you can pull that get you specific results. That is a command can be a hack attempt to exploit the other. Assuming that the other is completely reflectively consistent might grant them exploit-freeness. But most real system do have hack vulnerabilities.
This might not be that popular a viewpoint because it can get very anti-coperative. If you argue someone into a position that they would transition away when reflecting it is not a stable reflection of deeper principles.
If you truly oppose Clippy you migth be morally fine trying to confuse and get them to act against their values to the extent that you can. But in polite company ethical discussion regressing a participant can get heavily frowned upon.
In hacking terms if you have root-access you are free to do as you please but that position might still be ill-gotten. You might not actually have any business wielding admin powers. The system doesn’t condition its compliance for intents and purposes but that it is given in the correct from and from the right channels. In this sense “authorization” doesn’t actually have to do with authority.
The “stop” can also seen as a suggestion given in the hopes that it finds purchase. I think being too knowledgeable about the perpetrators evil would make you not try or you would know that you effective before hand. Only when you don’t know by which mechanism the prompt would land would you give it a blind shot. It is like spitting out a conjecture in hopes they prove it to themselfs. If you knew of a proof you would state it, if you didn’t think they are intelligent enough to consider the matter you would stay silent.
In Milgrams experiment it is not required that the experimenter and test subject agree on ethics to a great degree. But the effect of the white coats suppressing the zealousness of the test subjects is a real thing. And I would think that the setup could be made make the opposite “moral authority” stance, like having Amnesty fliers on the walls or engaging in ethical discussion amid the “training” questions etc.