I don’t think Janus’s crew are top jailbreakers? Pliny has historically been at the top, and while they are a cookie person, they don’t seem part of the same milieus. Do you have any links to state of the art jailbreaks they discovered or published?
It also seems pretty unlikely to me they would be good at this task. Most of the task of developing jailbreaks is finding some way to get the model to complete banned tasks without harming performance on those tasks. So competent jailbreak development requires capability measurements, and I feel like I’ve never seen them do that (but I could be totally wrong here).
Do you have any links to state of the art jailbreaks they discovered or published?
Not easily accessible to me, I was around the space ~1.5 years ago and I don’t have saved links, nor do I know if I’d have had links at the time. If the jailbreak stuff hasn’t germinated yet, which I assume you (or the Claude instance I asked about this) would know about if it had (Claude also couldn’t find any examples), then yeah there’s less reason to think they’re the shit, and maybe Ray ends up being right.
I don’t think Janus’s crew are top jailbreakers? Pliny has historically been at the top, and while they are a cookie person, they don’t seem part of the same milieus. Do you have any links to state of the art jailbreaks they discovered or published?
It also seems pretty unlikely to me they would be good at this task. Most of the task of developing jailbreaks is finding some way to get the model to complete banned tasks without harming performance on those tasks. So competent jailbreak development requires capability measurements, and I feel like I’ve never seen them do that (but I could be totally wrong here).
Not easily accessible to me, I was around the space ~1.5 years ago and I don’t have saved links, nor do I know if I’d have had links at the time. If the jailbreak stuff hasn’t germinated yet, which I assume you (or the Claude instance I asked about this) would know about if it had (Claude also couldn’t find any examples), then yeah there’s less reason to think they’re the shit, and maybe Ray ends up being right.