Raemon comments on Ivan Vendrov’s Shortform

[Raemon]

That anecdote seems more like a difference in what you find interesting/​aesthetically pleasing than evidence of delusion or manipulation.

If Janus is making a mistake (which is not obvious to me), I think much more likely than manipulation by the models is simply growing to love the models, and failure to compensate for the standard ways in which love (incl. non-romantic) distorts judgement.

These feel like answering different questions. The first question I meant to be saying is: “has Janus’ taste gotten worse because of talking to models?” and “what is the mechanism by which that happened?”. Your guess on the latter is also in like my top-2 guesses.

(Also it’s totally plausible to me Janus’ taste was basically basically the same in this domain, in which case this whole theory is off)

I do think taste can be kinda objectively bad, or objectively-subjectively-bad-in-context.

This I think is much more worrying (and not just for Anthropic).

I agree about this. I’m not sure what really to do about it. Idk if writing a top level thinkpiece post exploring the issue would help. Niplav’s recent shortform about “make sure a phenomenon is real before trying to explain it seems topical