I am aware that it’s from a quote. It’s from a quote you chose
I enthusiastically agree that there should generally be much higher responsibility for content placed upon quoters.
deontologist...consequentialists...What is your point?
The unpersuaded middle? Those who had never considered the question? Error theorists?
Am I mistaken in thinking that anti-abortion activists do seek to make abortion illegal, and just don’t do it by charging women with crimes the scope of which does not legally apply? Usually?
IIRC I once saw a youtube video in which a journalist or filmmaker or whoever interviewed people picketing against a clinic of some kind. Many had never even considered what punishments there should be for doctors or women. One woman’s gut response to the question was to propose making abortion a special illegal category of murder without imposing any legal penalties, others had different initial responses but a great many hadn’t considered the question at all.
Less shocking was that those who had at least considered it had very superficial responses, not at a very deep level of thought by even their standards.
please do note that there is some subtlety here.
I do not think it matters how well one draws a boundary if one ultimately has to bite the bullet (?) and say that some things adjacent in idea space are categorically different from each other, which is a very important way for things to be different, while other things very distant in idea space do not differ from yet other things very far from them.
They weren’t lawyers or sociologists or anything. Of course they’re much better at figuring out what is wrong than how society should react to wrong things. They want fewer abortions to happen, and it’s completely legitimate that they’d hand over the problem to whoever can optimise for that (the state is a possibility, but so are doctors and pregnant people). They’re only working on setting it as a goal.
I would give a response similar to those of most of the people in the video if an important question had never occurred to me. If it had occurred to me and I was open to whatever answer was optimal, I would have “I don’t know” available. Possibly the guy at 2:20 is in the latter category, but its not clear.
Because of the reaction to evidence showing things such as that sex education would reduce abortions, I’m disinclined to think that the anti-abortion movement’s actions resemble a coordinated effort to reach a least bad end and am more inclined to think of it as a collection of local responses against anything they see as at all bad.
In other words, if the following is true:
They want fewer abortions to happen, and it’s completely legitimate that they’d hand over the problem to whoever can optimise for that
...why do so many oppose sex education and safe sex?
IIRC I once saw a youtube video in which a journalist or filmmaker or whoever interviewed people picketing against a clinic of some kind. Many had never even considered what punishments there should be for doctors or women. One woman’s gut response to the question was to propose making abortion a special illegal category of murder without imposing any legal penalties, others had different initial responses but a great many hadn’t considered the question at all.
IIRC I once saw a youtube video in which a journalist or filmmaker or whoever interviewed people picketing against a clinic of some kind. Many had never even considered what punishments there should be for doctors or women. One woman’s gut response to the question was to propose making abortion a special illegal category of murder without imposing any legal penalties, others had different initial responses but a great many hadn’t considered the question at all.
Interesting—I just watched the series Battlestar Galactica which has an issue on abortion, and it does the same kind of sidestep. The president decides to ban it on the (questionable[1]) grounds of need to repopulate the fleet, but in her speech announcing it only says that mother or medical practition would be subject to “criminal penalties” and nothing more specific.
Edit: I know, I know, “fictional evidence”. But it’s interesting in that it seems the writers must have had a hard time thinking up what penalties the president would find appropriate.
[1] I say “questionable” because can I think of about a thousand better policies to promote population growth than using “the stick” against women who don’t want the child they’re pregnant with.
I enthusiastically agree that there should generally be much higher responsibility for content placed upon quoters.
The unpersuaded middle? Those who had never considered the question? Error theorists?
IIRC I once saw a youtube video in which a journalist or filmmaker or whoever interviewed people picketing against a clinic of some kind. Many had never even considered what punishments there should be for doctors or women. One woman’s gut response to the question was to propose making abortion a special illegal category of murder without imposing any legal penalties, others had different initial responses but a great many hadn’t considered the question at all.
Less shocking was that those who had at least considered it had very superficial responses, not at a very deep level of thought by even their standards.
I do not think it matters how well one draws a boundary if one ultimately has to bite the bullet (?) and say that some things adjacent in idea space are categorically different from each other, which is a very important way for things to be different, while other things very distant in idea space do not differ from yet other things very far from them.
They weren’t lawyers or sociologists or anything. Of course they’re much better at figuring out what is wrong than how society should react to wrong things. They want fewer abortions to happen, and it’s completely legitimate that they’d hand over the problem to whoever can optimise for that (the state is a possibility, but so are doctors and pregnant people). They’re only working on setting it as a goal.
I would give a response similar to those of most of the people in the video if an important question had never occurred to me. If it had occurred to me and I was open to whatever answer was optimal, I would have “I don’t know” available. Possibly the guy at 2:20 is in the latter category, but its not clear.
Because of the reaction to evidence showing things such as that sex education would reduce abortions, I’m disinclined to think that the anti-abortion movement’s actions resemble a coordinated effort to reach a least bad end and am more inclined to think of it as a collection of local responses against anything they see as at all bad.
In other words, if the following is true:
...why do so many oppose sex education and safe sex?
Video.
Also added this to the original post; thanks for reminding me of it! Obviously highly relevant.
Interesting—I just watched the series Battlestar Galactica which has an issue on abortion, and it does the same kind of sidestep. The president decides to ban it on the (questionable[1]) grounds of need to repopulate the fleet, but in her speech announcing it only says that mother or medical practition would be subject to “criminal penalties” and nothing more specific.
Edit: I know, I know, “fictional evidence”. But it’s interesting in that it seems the writers must have had a hard time thinking up what penalties the president would find appropriate.
[1] I say “questionable” because can I think of about a thousand better policies to promote population growth than using “the stick” against women who don’t want the child they’re pregnant with.