I had a discussion with on Facebook about this post, where someone felt my examples seemed pointed a different definition of frame control than them. After some back-and-forth and some confusion on my part, it seemed like their conception of frame control was something more like ‘someone is trying to control you, and they happen to be using frames to do it’, whereas my conception here was more like ‘someone is trying to control your frame.’
I’m not actually sure how different these turn out to be in practice. If someone is controlling your frame, they’re also controlling what thoughts you can most easily think, which is also controlling your actions. But I think there’s something of a difference between “someone’s goal is to change you” vs “someone’s goal is to have a comfortable frame for them”. It’s plausible to me that people can viscerally feel the difference, and the variants of frame control that feel particularly unsettling are the ones where it’s palpable that they’re optimizing to control you.
If it turns out we may need to talk separately about “controlling someone (with frames)” and “controlling someone’s frame”… man, we sure do have a language collision problem ripe for subtle misunderstandings.
I had a discussion with on Facebook about this post, where someone felt my examples seemed pointed a different definition of frame control than them. After some back-and-forth and some confusion on my part, it seemed like their conception of frame control was something more like ‘someone is trying to control you, and they happen to be using frames to do it’, whereas my conception here was more like ‘someone is trying to control your frame.’
I’m not actually sure how different these turn out to be in practice. If someone is controlling your frame, they’re also controlling what thoughts you can most easily think, which is also controlling your actions. But I think there’s something of a difference between “someone’s goal is to change you” vs “someone’s goal is to have a comfortable frame for them”. It’s plausible to me that people can viscerally feel the difference, and the variants of frame control that feel particularly unsettling are the ones where it’s palpable that they’re optimizing to control you.
If it turns out we may need to talk separately about “controlling someone (with frames)” and “controlling someone’s frame”… man, we sure do have a language collision problem ripe for subtle misunderstandings.