At the end of the day, my understanding is that you don’t really think frames are a useful concept in the first place, so I assume any analysis built on top of frames also won’t seem useful to you.
This comment and (the last two paragraphs of) this comment may clarify my view on the matter somewhat.
So, I’m not really expecting there to be a version of this post you’d find satisfying
Well, quite frankly, I think that the version of this post that I’d find most satisfying is one that actually tabooed “frames” and “frame control”, while attempting to analyze what it is that motivates people to talk about such things as these discussions of “frame control” tend to describe (in the spirit of “dissolving questions” by asking what algorithm generates the question, rather than taking the question’s assumptions for granted).
Indeed, I found myself sufficiently impatient to read such a post that I wrote it myself…
I remain unconvinced that there’s anything further that’s worth saying about any of this that wouldn’t be best said by discarding the entire concept of “frame control”, and possibly even “frames”, starting from scratch, and seeing if there’s remains any motivation to say anything.
So, in that sense, yes, I think your characterization is more or less correct.
Yeah I do think writing a post that actually-tabooed-frame-control would be good. (The historical reason this post doesn’t do that is in large part because I initially wrote a different post, called “Distinctions in Frame Control”. realized that post didn’t quite have enough of a purpose, and sort of clarified my goal at the last minute and then hastily retrofitted the post to make it work.)
Indeed, I found myself sufficiently impatient to read such a post that I wrote it myself…
FWIW I did quite appreciate that comment. I may have more to say about it later, but regardless, I thought it was a good exercise I found helpful to think about.
This comment and (the last two paragraphs of) this comment may clarify my view on the matter somewhat.
Well, quite frankly, I think that the version of this post that I’d find most satisfying is one that actually tabooed “frames” and “frame control”, while attempting to analyze what it is that motivates people to talk about such things as these discussions of “frame control” tend to describe (in the spirit of “dissolving questions” by asking what algorithm generates the question, rather than taking the question’s assumptions for granted).
Indeed, I found myself sufficiently impatient to read such a post that I wrote it myself…
I remain unconvinced that there’s anything further that’s worth saying about any of this that wouldn’t be best said by discarding the entire concept of “frame control”, and possibly even “frames”, starting from scratch, and seeing if there’s remains any motivation to say anything.
So, in that sense, yes, I think your characterization is more or less correct.
Yeah I do think writing a post that actually-tabooed-frame-control would be good. (The historical reason this post doesn’t do that is in large part because I initially wrote a different post, called “Distinctions in Frame Control”. realized that post didn’t quite have enough of a purpose, and sort of clarified my goal at the last minute and then hastily retrofitted the post to make it work.)
FWIW I did quite appreciate that comment. I may have more to say about it later, but regardless, I thought it was a good exercise I found helpful to think about.