I think one of the main things I updated on is that a model I had of user discussions with users (that it’s important to hug the most important part of the query, i.e. chasing and focusing on cruxes) is not applicable to mod actions (where it’s important to catch each of the norm violations, instead of simply the most serious violation).
There are a handful of reasons for this, the most serious of which is the “that which is not punished is allowed”—Raemon made a comment on the Benquo’s top comment that pointed out what Raemon saw as a defect in Benquo’s presentation, and separated that from a criticism of Benquo’s argument. But that meant that later, when I criticized the argument, Benquo responded with ‘but Raemon wasn’t criticizing my argument.’ If I only point out what seems to me like the most serious error in a post, then there’s a (reasonable!) argument that all the things that went unsaid weren’t at the threshold of correction, and if I only point out the error that’s easier to respond to, the same sort of thing goes through.
It’s worth pointing out that in this case, Raemon explicitly said he wasn’t criticizing the argument itself, and he wrote a distinct comment to that effect.
I do think the general point is valid and a serious problem, though; if I criticize X it can be read as giving a pass for Y even though it shouldn’t be (and the even worse parallel problem is when I give reason/argument X for my point, and people then assume that means there’s no additional good reason/argument Y or Z, or otherwise don’t actually add together evidence from diverse angles, especially when they’re relatively illegible).
Obvious brainstorm is, would it be sufficient to say ‘The largest issue with’ or something like that, when you suspect there are additional problems? Or would this create a worse burden; e.g. now if I don’t say that, it is real evidence that there are no additional problems, so now the burden to say anything goes up, and oh no...
I think one of the main things I updated on is that a model I had of user discussions with users (that it’s important to hug the most important part of the query, i.e. chasing and focusing on cruxes) is not applicable to mod actions (where it’s important to catch each of the norm violations, instead of simply the most serious violation).
There are a handful of reasons for this, the most serious of which is the “that which is not punished is allowed”—Raemon made a comment on the Benquo’s top comment that pointed out what Raemon saw as a defect in Benquo’s presentation, and separated that from a criticism of Benquo’s argument. But that meant that later, when I criticized the argument, Benquo responded with ‘but Raemon wasn’t criticizing my argument.’ If I only point out what seems to me like the most serious error in a post, then there’s a (reasonable!) argument that all the things that went unsaid weren’t at the threshold of correction, and if I only point out the error that’s easier to respond to, the same sort of thing goes through.
It’s worth pointing out that in this case, Raemon explicitly said he wasn’t criticizing the argument itself, and he wrote a distinct comment to that effect.
I do think the general point is valid and a serious problem, though; if I criticize X it can be read as giving a pass for Y even though it shouldn’t be (and the even worse parallel problem is when I give reason/argument X for my point, and people then assume that means there’s no additional good reason/argument Y or Z, or otherwise don’t actually add together evidence from diverse angles, especially when they’re relatively illegible).
Obvious brainstorm is, would it be sufficient to say ‘The largest issue with’ or something like that, when you suspect there are additional problems? Or would this create a worse burden; e.g. now if I don’t say that, it is real evidence that there are no additional problems, so now the burden to say anything goes up, and oh no...