# wizardcheetah

Karma: 3
• I’m in­ter­ested to know if you think this is an ar­gu­ment for cos­mic math. Even if you are not con­vinced by it I am still in­ter­ested to know if it is ar­gu­ing against your po­si­tion of an­thropic math.

Con­sider ‘mo­men­tum’. It is a con­cept that comes straight out of math. The only rea­son mo­men­tum is named is be­cause it is con­served. You have a sys­tem, you do some di­rect mea­sure­ments, and com­bine those mea­sure­ments into a de­rived mea­sure of mo­men­tum, m1. You keep the sys­tem closed, but oth­er­wise do a bunch of whacky stuff to the sys­tem and you meaure the mo­men­tum again, m2. You will find that m1-m2 = 0. If we go any­where in the uni­verse we will find the same ob­ser­va­tion holds true.

If we made con­tact with ET’s that have pro­gressed to prim­i­tive farm­ers how­ever far hu­mans made it be­fore do­ing math. If we teach them to do the ob­ser­va­tions they will find the same phe­nomenon. If we left them to de­velop on their own then is there some part of that pro­cess that they would be in­ca­pable or un­mo­ti­vated to do?

This may be my last con­tri­bu­tion.

• So you are com­par­ing math to a pur­suit that is clearly an ex­plo­ra­tion of the hu­man mind like graphic de­sign or other arts. But I am still fuzzy on the ‘why’? I can share that wild crows, too, can count up to 4. But be­cause I am not clear on your why I’m not sure how this ob­ser­va­tion will af­fect you. It shows that there are at least some part of math that are use­ful to non-hu­mans. But per­haps you are refer­ring to more so­phis­ti­cated math sys­tems like ZFC set the­ory, in which case the crows don’t have a say.

• Why does this mat­ter? It felt like it was miss­ing.

Is your ques­tion well formed? I’m not sure what a proof would demon­strate.

Have you con­sid­ered the origi­nal pur­poses of math? My un­der­stand­ing is that it was for ac­count­ing, rather than elab­o­rat­ing on ax­ioms.

New­ton was the first to try to model the uni­verse math­e­mat­i­cally. Others had taken quan­ti­ta­tive ob­ser­va­tions and even noted that spe­cific things in na­ture could be mod­el­led with math. But New­ton was the one that sought and found uni­ver­sal laws that could be ex­pressed in math, like his law of uni­ver­sal grav­i­ta­tion.