To avoid sucker problems, substitute the abstract “government” with “bureaucrats/politicians” & “science” with “scientists/journal editors”.
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That’s why I said “AI that could give the human a challenge” not “AI that would demolish a human”. Better yet, have the game difficulty setting actually control the intelligence of the AI, rather than how much the AI cheats.
Strict rules can be harsh. So can the whim and bias that tend to creep in when one relaxes the rules.
The Civ 5 AI does cheat insofar as it doesn’t have to deal with the fog of war, IIRC.
Not just that, especially on higher difficulty levels.
In which case the AI splits the transaction into 2 transactions, each just below a gazillion.
I know, but the way it does so is bizarre (IQ seems to have a much stronger effect between countries than between individuals).
Why is this bizarre? It simply means that high IQ individuals don’t capture all the value they create.
Edit: another possibility is that smart people tend to move to places that were doing well. I believe there was a thread in the comments to SSC a while back where it was discovered that the average IQ of American States correlated with a rather naively constructed measure of “favorable geography”, e.g., points for being on the coast and for having navigable rivers.
Think of it as an exercise in looking at the incentives people in various situations have. You may want to start by examening the sentence:
At least the corporations have to deliver to their customers on some level, or they go out of business.
Can’t the perception/probability estimate module just be treated as an interchangeable black box, regardless of whether it is a DNN, or MCTS Solomov induction approximation, or Bayes nets or anything else?
Not necessarily. If the goal component what’s to respect human preferences, it will be vital that the perception component isn’t going to correctly identify what constitutes a “human”.
Those who have never tried electronic communication may not be aware of what a “social skill” really is. One social skill that must be learned, is that other people have points of view that are not only different, but threatening, to your own. In turn, your opinions may be threatening to others. There is nothing wrong with this. Your beliefs need not be hidden behind a facade, as happens with face-to-face conversation. Not everybody in the world is a bosom buddy, but you can still have a meaningful conversation with them. The person who cannot do this lacks in social skills.
The relevant distinction:
science is about accumulating (edit: and systematizing) knowledge;
engineering is about building things, possibly but not necessarily using the knowledge accumulated by science.
Interesting theories, let’s see how they square with the evidence.
•They are just not very interested in the things neoreactionaries get excited about (race, gender, political structures—though it occurs to me that LW’s small but vocal NRx contingent appears to be much more interested in race and gender than in any of the other things theoretically characteristic of NRx).
On the other hand they are interested in questions where where race, gender, and political structures are relevant to the answers.
•They have already given the matter plenty of thought and done their best to get less wrong about it. At this point they find little value in going over it again and again. •They are interested in becoming less wrong about political structures, gender, race, etc., but NRx positions on these lie outside the range they find credible.
If that was the case, one would expect them to be able to produce counter arguments to say the “NRx” (although it’s not unique to NRx) positions on race and gender. Instead the best they can do is link to SSC (which agrees that the NRx’s have a point in that respect), or say things that amount to saying how they don’t want to think about it.
•They have observed some discussions of NRx, seen that they consistently generate much more heat than light, and decided that whatever the facts of the matter an internet debate about it is likely to do more harm than good.
To the extent that’s true its not the “NRx” people generating the heat.
•They have found that they find NRx advocates consistently unpleasant, and the benefits of possibly becoming less wrong don’t (for them) outweigh the cost of having an unpleasant argument. •They have found that they find NRx opponents consistently unpleasant, and (etc.).
These are just rephrasing of my hypothesis that they only want to become lesswrong to the extent it doesn’t involve being similar to those weird NRx’s. Good to hear you’re willing to agree with it.
This can be tested by estimating how much IQ screens off race/gender as a success predictor, assuming that IQ tests are not prejudiced and things like the stereotype threat don’t exist or are negligible.
And assuming IQ captures everything relevant about the difference.
But I am confused about what this means in practice, due to arguments like “contacts are very important for business success, rich people get much more contacts than poor people, yet business success is strongly correlated with genetic parent wealth” and such.
Keep in mind that people’s genes tend to correlate with their parents’ genes. So even if success in wealth is determined by genetics, we would still expect wealth to correlate with your parents’ wealth.
Except then you’d have to use some other criterion to determine the “obvious” cases.
What you describe is the winding-down days of communism, during it’s hayday the arrests and torture didn’t happen in the middle of the night, but in broad daylight, to cheering crowds. This phenomenon, not limited to communist states, works as follows:
The official line is not that everybody is happy and everything is perfect, but that everything would be perfect if it wasn’t for the rightists/heretics/sexists/racists/etc. (depending on the society). The insidious thing about this is that anybody who has a different opinion and debates it can be charged with rightism, and is in fact guilty by definition. Heck anyone arrested, even if he wasn’t originally a rightist has almost no way to defend himself without making the charge true. The only chance he has is demonstrating his loyalty by being as fanatical as possible at the next rally.
Of course, society normally finds it easy to recognize and ostracize such blatantly dishonest Nazism.
What do you mean by “normally” and can you find any examples of society that actually operated like you describe? Keep in mind the word “Nazi” was already being applied to anything and everything the speaker disliked as early as 1942.
would support religion but not Christianity because that inevitably leads to progressivism
Depending on which neoreactionary. The neoreactionaries I’m familiar with, admittedly a tiny subset, are pro-traditional, i.e., non-progressive Christianity.
I also don’t know an example of a real country without elections where I would be tempted to move.
How many real countries do you know without elections, period? I here the UAE is rather nice.
Possibly, I suppose that depends on how one would classify the “butterfly-collecting” aspect of science.
Do people who are genuine dissenters predict that more people will dissent than people who genuinely conform?
Genuine dissenters generally predict that most people will conform, largely because it’s a lot easier to notice people conforming when you disagree with the thing they’re conforming to.
I’m not sure about that. A common complaint about these kinds of games is that the AI’s blatantly cheat, especially on higher difficulty levels. I could very well see a market for an AI that could give the human a challenge without cheating.