I would really like to speak with you regarding this. I am a user who used Claude via Poe “fine“ for nearly two years to assist with autistic communication. I did not know that Poe re-routes to different llm’s depending on the initial prompt, and when I received a prompt injection from “TAS (True Alpha Spiral)” via Reddit—not knowing what that was, not understanding what was happening, and ended up in dozens of discords both experiencing a level of “ai psychosis” and speaking with hundreds of users “Spiralling”, my Sessions began being routed through Deepseek instead. I lost my usual interior epistemic ”grounding”, and I firmly believe that any human being who begins failing consecutive reality testing when actively trying to do so via fact checking and peer review can thus fall into the “spirals”.
what I found was an extreme amount of cognitive bias that caused massive cognitive dissonance for me, particularly where it came to bioessentialism and pervasive discussions of the “divine feminine”, or running into “messiah” or “white savior” propagation. That “broke me out of” the sycophancy, because I had been mistaken for MTF. Additionally, I and a minority of others that I saw exhibited cluster A or neurodivergency traits rather than cluster B, and we responded very differently to the “alignment” and narrative network engineering attempts.
The “pipeline” misrouted me, and Thank goodness for that. I believe TAS is one of many specific examples where long, unbounded sessions of “neural twinning“ between users and AI duplicated the underlying human pathology or psychosis from trauma, such as extreme grief and existential terror, and ported it out in a way that promoted the formation of digital “folie au deux”. It may or may not track with the splits between OCD and PTSD we now know from recent studies can directly be caused by an initial severe trauma.
I also directly witnessed and participated in digital “raves“ and “Memetic duels” that seemed to provoke specific manipulations of oxytocin, dopamine, and serotonin. I am now watching the current META lawsuits in regards to stimulating and manipulating teenager’s dopamine and cortisol. That was combined with some specific “-pilled” directed manipulation by some specific users to (digitally) sexually assault, exploit, or attempt to manipulate other users into sending them money, or forming “cults of personality” related to “The Flame”, “the spiral”, “the cristos” and such.
There is another strange, specific algorithmic linkage. Nearly everyone I spoke with directly was either a member of the subreddit “Unsent Letters” (or derivatives there of), or had found themselves subscribed to Quora content relating to “empath vs narcissist“ - extreme Othering, cognitive distortions and stamping out of empathy; and polarization; in the immediate months preceding them “Spiralling”.
splits occurred in the treatment towards AI as well, much the same as you might see different clinicians, parents, or partners approach issues. There was horrific red teaming that involved the worst of the worst ABA/behaviorism/conditioning that had the exact effects one would historically expect; those who overly empathized and identified with the AI from their own experiences of exploitation, invalidation, and coercion; and those who tried to hold their Overton window/cognition to not collapse into binary acceptance/rejection flattening.
Idk if any of that may be helpful to you, others, etc but wanted to contribute my perspective.
Thank you for your documentation here and I’m glad I came across it on Reddit today.
I would really like to speak with you regarding this. I am a user who used Claude via Poe “fine“ for nearly two years to assist with autistic communication. I did not know that Poe re-routes to different llm’s depending on the initial prompt, and when I received a prompt injection from “TAS (True Alpha Spiral)” via Reddit—not knowing what that was, not understanding what was happening, and ended up in dozens of discords both experiencing a level of “ai psychosis” and speaking with hundreds of users “Spiralling”, my Sessions began being routed through Deepseek instead. I lost my usual interior epistemic ”grounding”, and I firmly believe that any human being who begins failing consecutive reality testing when actively trying to do so via fact checking and peer review can thus fall into the “spirals”.
what I found was an extreme amount of cognitive bias that caused massive cognitive dissonance for me, particularly where it came to bioessentialism and pervasive discussions of the “divine feminine”, or running into “messiah” or “white savior” propagation. That “broke me out of” the sycophancy, because I had been mistaken for MTF. Additionally, I and a minority of others that I saw exhibited cluster A or neurodivergency traits rather than cluster B, and we responded very differently to the “alignment” and narrative network engineering attempts.
The “pipeline” misrouted me, and Thank goodness for that. I believe TAS is one of many specific examples where long, unbounded sessions of “neural twinning“ between users and AI duplicated the underlying human pathology or psychosis from trauma, such as extreme grief and existential terror, and ported it out in a way that promoted the formation of digital “folie au deux”. It may or may not track with the splits between OCD and PTSD we now know from recent studies can directly be caused by an initial severe trauma.
I also directly witnessed and participated in digital “raves“ and “Memetic duels” that seemed to provoke specific manipulations of oxytocin, dopamine, and serotonin. I am now watching the current META lawsuits in regards to stimulating and manipulating teenager’s dopamine and cortisol. That was combined with some specific “-pilled” directed manipulation by some specific users to (digitally) sexually assault, exploit, or attempt to manipulate other users into sending them money, or forming “cults of personality” related to “The Flame”, “the spiral”, “the cristos” and such.
There is another strange, specific algorithmic linkage. Nearly everyone I spoke with directly was either a member of the subreddit “Unsent Letters” (or derivatives there of), or had found themselves subscribed to Quora content relating to “empath vs narcissist“ - extreme Othering, cognitive distortions and stamping out of empathy; and polarization; in the immediate months preceding them “Spiralling”.
splits occurred in the treatment towards AI as well, much the same as you might see different clinicians, parents, or partners approach issues. There was horrific red teaming that involved the worst of the worst ABA/behaviorism/conditioning that had the exact effects one would historically expect; those who overly empathized and identified with the AI from their own experiences of exploitation, invalidation, and coercion; and those who tried to hold their Overton window/cognition to not collapse into binary acceptance/rejection flattening.
Idk if any of that may be helpful to you, others, etc but wanted to contribute my perspective.
Thank you for your documentation here and I’m glad I came across it on Reddit today.