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For me the difference between my ability to model 3d and 2d is just entirely about 3d objects usually having far more detail, it seems to have nothing to do with dimensionality.
What tricky problems here do you think they’re ignoring?
I think Tesla are more interested in looking impressive than in actually solving the tricky problems.
I can’t really disagree with this as phrased, but they’re so interested in looking impressive that the phrasing doesn’t really imply a lack of a high interest in solving tricky problems. It’s also quite difficult for them to look impressive without actually solving tricky problems, given how easy it is to measure their outputs.
This could potentially solve lots of long-standing thorny problems in consequentialism, like wireheading and the fiendish difficulty of defining happiness/utility, and how even making the tiniest of mistake in that definition can be precisely catastrophic.
“optimise human preference (with appropriate humility about what that means (implied))” solves this better.
While I do think that optionality is more definable than utility, it’s still not trivial. I have ideas on how to calculate it, but not full clarity yet. I’m reaching out to find more people who have thoughts in this direction: are there some of you who might already believe that the greatest good might come from giving the most amount of (meaningfully different) choices to agents?
I’m fairly sure you’re going to need to assume a notion of human preference to tell you which choices are meaningful to humans.
gonna be a little late
Why would lesswrong control this, though? I think it would look more like some lesswrong users being part of an investing firm, and donating some of their winnings to lightcone, which is possibly already happening
That journal investigates things in ways that produce immediate changes in the prices of easily tradeable assets. Lesswrong doesn’t.
It often does investigate things in such a way that will produce or predict eventual changes in an ambiguous basket of assets over a long timespan, but it’s hard to make much money that way, you can’t compound your returns.
Pareto-frontier
You mean the shapley value (edit: unsure, it’s something in that genre, it might not have had a name, it might have been something like “wherever the diagonal intersects the convex pareto front”). The pareto frontier is the entire tradeoff space, which encompasses the shapley value, and it also has many points where eg, clear writing is high but truthseeking and calibration are zero.
I suspect acting blandly is an effective defence against receiving negative feedback, if you have a certain kind of user, who thinks that as long as a thing has said nothing, then there’s nothing to complain about.
I think your reasons for introducing this distinction only become clear in the hot take paragraph at the end :/ for the rest of the article it seems useless or practically meaningless.
We do not see their Dyson swarms or similar because our galaxy is <1% visible.
Didn’t follow. If they’re doing dyson swarms, why wouldn’t the dyson swarms be everywhere by now.
In theory I suspect it just doesn’t actually make sense to have prediction markets where people can bet anonymously. It decreases the transparentization benefits of having the prediction market by like 10x because insider voices will get lost in the crowd. It makes it impossible to protect ordinary traders from insider trading.
And this seems unsolvable. Even if you figure out how to do the dance where traders have the opportunity to respond to an insider bet before prices flip, any approach to deanonymization can be bypassed by insiders proxying their bets through loved ones. You’d also need an exhaustive map of trust relations, and I’m not sure that would even be sufficient.
I might start advocating person to person Wagers over Markets.
Though on an abstract level I’m inclined to think that increasing the intelligence of the AI market would be bad on net, what’re the chances that, in the real world and in the current situation, increasing market intelligence would mainly just expedite the following events:
A crash in AI stocks
An Anthropic IPO
Manifold spin off MNX, a real money decentralized market for AI-related bets. Includes levered prediction markets, perpetual futures
While I do think there are many reasons pluralism isn’t stable, increasingly unstable as information technology advances, and there might not ever meaningfully be pluralism under AGI at all (eg, there probably will be many agents working in parallel, but the agents might basically share goals and also be subject to very strong oversight in ways that humans often pretend to be but never have been), which I’d like to see Ngo acknowledge,
The period of instability is fairly likely to be the period under which the constitution of the later stage of stability is written, so it’s important that some of us try to understand it.
Well, I remember a moment in BLAME! (a manga that’s largely aesthetically about the disappearance of heirloom strains of humanity) where someone described Killy as human, even though he later turns out to (also?) be an immortal special safeguard, but they may have just not known that. It’s possible the author didn’t even know that at that time (I don’t think the plot of blame was planned in advance)
There seems to be real acrimony over whether a transhumanist future is definitionally a future where humans are more or less extinct. I’ve always thought we should just refer to whatever humans (voluntarily, uncoerced) choose to become as human, just as american made or american controlled jets are called “american”, or in the same way that a human’s name doesn’t change after all of their cells have renewed.
But you know, I don’t think I’ve ever seen this depicted in science fiction. Seems bad. Humans can’t imagine humanity becoming something better. Those who want humanity to become something better are pitted against those who want humanity to survive, as if these causes can’t be unified. The language for the synthesis seems not to be exist, or to be denied.
This is probably too complicated to explain to the general population
I think it’s workable.
No one ever internalises the exact logic of a game the first time they hear the rules (unless they’ve played very similar games before). A good teacher gives them several levels of approximation, then they play at the level they’re comfortable with. Here’s the level of approximation I’d start with, which I think is good enough.
“How much would we need to pay you for you to be happy to take the survey? Your data may really be worth that much to us, we really want to make sure we get answers that represent every type of person, including people who value their time a lot. So name your price. Note, you want to give your true price. The more you ask, the less likely it is you’ll get to take the survey.”
(if callee says “you wouldn’t be able to afford it”, say “try us.”)
(if callee requests a very high amount, double-check and emphasise again that the more they ask the less likely it is that they’ll get to take the survey and receive such a payment, make sure they’re sure. Maybe explain that the math is set up so that they can’t benefit from overstating it)
I had some things to say after that interview, he said some highly concerning things, but I ended up not commenting on this particular thing because it’s probably mostly a semantic disagreement about what counts as a human or an AI.
When a human chooses to augment themselves to the point of being entirely artificial, I believe he’d count that as an AI. He’s kind of obsessed with humans merging with AI in a way that suggests he doesn’t really see that as just being what humans now are after alignment.
Has a laser ever been fired outdoors in japan
Volumetric, yes. What happens if you imagine it transparent. If I showed you a transparent orange would you become sleepy.
But I sometimes think I might dream in 3d, because some days I find obstruction confusing, I think, wait, something’s wrong, I can’t see every part of this object right now, it seems like some parts of it are “blocking” others?? It’s probably related to migraine, mental buffering, visual processing, though, so idk.