I think I might have to invoke this. I tried reading some research papers but I couldn’t understand a lot of them, to much medial jargon.
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Thankfully my relative isn’t the flat earth type. That’s a little *to* crazy for them.
Also why the hell do people think it’s my uncle, I never gave any clues to the exact relation of the family member in question.
I would agree with your assessment of rationalwiki.
And you’re right, this isn’t something I want to spend months on for little fruit. I will be updating my shots in the near future. (I’ve already had most up to maybe age 10)
ok, thanks. This makes sense. Thanks for the help.
I’ll use that
That’s a fair point. I don’t know of any studies that showed vaccines are dangerous.
Do you know any sites I can find research papers? (or at least the names and authors, libgen is a thing after all)
I do agree that separate vaccines may have different safety concerns.
The ones my relative seems to dislike most are the DTAP, measles, and Flu vaccine. They seem to think these ones in particular are more dangerous/less effective (especially concerning effectiveness and the flu vaccine).
This part is a value debate, not a factual debate. Vaccination is a form of trolley problem: we sacrifice the few people who get an adverse reaction to the vaccine, to save health and lives of the majority. Makes sense statistically; also makes you mad when it is your child thrown under the trolley. (The converse point is that when everyone else vaccinates their kids and you do not, you are free-riding on other people’s sacrifice, and your ethical concerns seem to them like self-serving bullshit.)
This is true. I think my relative is partially mad at the whole trolley problem thing, partially mad that individuals maybe “could be saved” provided family history was taken into account, but aren’t because of a “corrupt medical system”
(Because many babies have a minor reaction; they may be crying for a day or for a week. Are we talking about that, or about something more serious?)
My nephew had seizures after I think the DTAP, but I’m not sure. I’m not sure if that is statistically relevant anyways. The family member in question seems to think that minor reactions might be indicative of future major reactions from different shots or booster shots for same disease.
I have read this article. And my default position right now, if no one replied to this post, is that my relative is crazy and vaccines are ridiculously safe. Based mostly on what everyone here and across the internet and all the medical professionals who know more than me or my relative think.
What I’m looking for now is why everyone I trust intellectually believes what they do, what are the knockdown arguments against the antivax crowd?
″ So another research program was started, and the result were fully immersive, fully life-supporting virtual reality capsules. Stacked in huge warehouses by the millions, the elderly sit in their virtual worlds, vague sunny fields and old gabled houses where it is always the Good Old Days and their grandchildren are always visiting. ”
Is this a reference to the futurama episode with the death star type thing with all the old people in it?
My relative claims that aluminum and thimerosal content within vaccines can cause serious negative side effects (I think this is probably false)
They also claim that that vaccination schedule is to quick and seem to have some level of moral indignation at the speed and age of vaccination, and want a slower vaccination schedule at a higher age.
As well as family screening for vaccine related issues, i.e “If your family has a history of reactions they should wait until an older age and slow down the vaccination schedule. They REALLY don’t like the number of vaccines given and consider it to be excessive.
They also believe its an affront to freedom in general to force vaccinations.
I think that’s most of their arguments, I might edit in more if I can remember them.
Hopefully genetic widespread genetic tests will help with this.