eli_jones

Karma: −177

eli_jones 21 Sep 2010 18:34 UTC
−23 points
on: Less Wrong Should Confront Wrongness Wherever it Appears
from my observation and first time experience of a thread in a specific category. the article was noise and provided little signal. statements voted down by those who may lack objectivity or provoke voting down because it challenges participant’s own belief systems.

i call into question the entire thread’s bias which of and in itself challenges the premise of the less wrong objective.

less wrong is wrong in this category. i am not even an expert in this field and can see the fallacy which compels me to draw experts here to deal with this accordingly. nevertheless, it begs the question, how wrong is “less wrong” everywhere else.

less wrong pursues the objective to be clear, when confusion is what it facilitates in the relative instance. however, life is messy, and innovation and growth are built through creative destruction.

given the type of group think and self containerized thinking less wrong may consume itself into a black hole of never ending knowledge pursuit and implode upon itself hardly making the progress it hoped to achieve.

this comment is being made as an effort to provide feedback.

problems create new problems, [like from like]. human evolution according to Popper, problem solves thereby generating temporary solutions, which reveal errors and omissions, and a new set of problems.

eli_jones 21 Sep 2010 18:00 UTC
−28 points
in reply to: ata’s comment on: Religion’s Claim to be Non-Disprovable
Satan is the founder/manufacturer of “religion” and facilitating every belief system save Christ.

YOUR STATEMENT has grown from the seeds planted before our time. The deception you are led to consume and distract yourself with.

“Nope, Islam could be true. Or Judaism, or Hinduism, or something else. That would matter a lot. If you were not a member of any religion, then by what process would you decide what to believe, such that this process’s output is strongly correlated with how reality actually is?”

Satan is the manufacturer of doubt, confusion, argument, anxiety, etc. these values, attitudes drive the behavior Satan would have you engage in. Most paths lead to Satan’s wide road of deception, where what you do not know will be your largest unexpected circumstance.

eli_jones 21 Sep 2010 17:49 UTC
−35 points
in reply to: AdeleneDawner’s comment on: Religion’s Claim to be Non-Disprovable
i came to this forum to investigate and contribute in areas of a certain expertise, in an area not covered here.

i respectfully declare that this thread forum is absolutely flawed and circular.
1. the author proposes it cannot prove or disprove God = neutral outcome, is flat out weak
2. the gist of responses here critique, chatter, and are polluted with group think, i am reading nothing substantial.
3. it appears many here have a belief system and methodology that is flawed. sources and methodology supports a non-predetermined outcome.
my opinion is that it is here that results are predetermined and evidence and method made to support pre-determined [desired] outcomes.

i would like to see 1. sources 2. methodology 3. that concludes Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead and is not of God.

an absolute better case can be made that Jesus Christ is of God...

God is about relationship and only through faith in Him will you find incomprehensible knowledge.

I have observed and found that human evolution forever problem solves, only to find temporary solutions, new found errors, and omissions, revealing yet another problem. this feedback loop will never cease. No argument there.

However, if a relationship in Christ through faith can increase the likelihood of one’s success in these and any other pursuit.....you have the free will and intellect to find any and every answer upon your own discovery and learning processes.

eli_jones 21 Sep 2010 12:49 UTC
−22 points
in reply to: ata’s comment on: Religion’s Claim to be Non-Disprovable
awesome question!
1. if the elements in my post where false, then when we die, there would be no afterlife, no participation by our soul in another time space continuum. that would be the end of that.
therefore finding out would not even matter, unfortunately there is no way to send a response back to this life to facilitate more understanding. an inconclusive path.
1. if the elements in my post are correct, then God would make the final judgment relative your affairs. Jesus Christ stated he was God in the form of man, only so we could RELATE to him as a common denominator. Christ specifically stated, “I am the way, the truth and the light, and whomever believes in me will have eternal life.”
no oxford or higher levels of thinking required. yes. it is that simple. i think as an intellectual we may focus our thinking upon the incorrect portion of the problem. where other perspectives may determine other results.

Once we are presented with an opportunity to believe in Christ, we make the choice upon our own free will.

The original bible never defined the Trinity. The church later wrote this in, so it is a man made description. the original authors considered this trinity matter an inherent understanding, but the church in it’s worldly objectives wrote it in. since it does not change the gist of the matter, it makes no difference.

eli_jones 21 Sep 2010 12:25 UTC
−15 points
in reply to: eli_jones’s comment on: Religion’s Claim to be Non-Disprovable
i would appreciate that if you are going to give this a negative score that you at least support the negative marks. given that this response may challenge the belief system of most here on the intellectual site, then take a stand for what you believe or describe the results your methods produce from your evidence.

eli_jones 20 Sep 2010 22:11 UTC
−22 points
in reply to: xamdam’s comment on: Religion’s Claim to be Non-Disprovable
Jesus says, i am the way the truth and the light.

Satan wanted to be God so bad, he dresses up like him everyday. There is no, just to be fair to tanakh. it is flat out not of God, it is counterfeit.

God created man in his own image, and i would guess millions of others throughout our Universe. He cared enough to take the form of man and subject himself to all our filth. Satan makes certain he gets killed...at which point, Satan loses his argument against God’s declaration of Sovereignty over all.

Satan’s argument to God:

God you expect us to worship you...yet who is checking you? you sacrificed nothing, I Satan with my group motion to remove you.

When Christ died, Satan’s argument failed. To boot Christ overcomes life by raising from the dead. he is God.

i imagine the trinity would be hard to rationalise, but that is Satan’s trick. That enemy is real and only wants you to deny it’s existence passionately.

space is very large and hard to believe God would waste so much space and not use it. remove time and consider other dimensions and space might be a bit more manageable...that is if one had the chemical composition to do so. this goes into string theory, which i imagine additional developments will need to evolve.

i appreciate your response and viewpoint.

eli_jones 20 Sep 2010 21:42 UTC
−32 points
on: Religion’s Claim to be Non-Disprovable
Jesus Christ is not about magisterium. The many attributes the author brings forth are made by man, of course they fail. The bible absolutely can override all laws of man, because man makes laws for power and other reasons. No law of Christ breaks any man made laws.

The bible has more errors in it than the words in the entire book. relatively speaking it actually is the most accurate historic text ever written. If the book was declared perfect, everyone would worship the bible and not even read the book. The purpose of Christ and the “gist” of the bible is “relationship”, “faith”, and “love”, not math proofs and equations.

God’s intellect is incomprehensible and it is my opinion that we place too much weight upon our level of logical understanding. In fact, i would venture to guess, that what we think is “illogical” is limited by our own intellectual capacity. Our head would explode most likely, especially after Eve ate the apple and inherently made us stupid. [we use less than 90% of our brain]. that is another discussion. i think that tree of knowledge made us stupid not smart. notice the theme of opposites.

Faith is the belief in the unproven, unseen...etc. Faith bridges the gap between our logic and non-logic.

The answer to the validation of Christ’s validity requires faith. The enemy “Satan” promotes rationale, logic, and proof to combat Christ. Satan wants everyone to think it is a “red devil” imaginary figure only to marginalize Christ. Satan is the creator of every other “religion” including the word itself. Satan is the ultimate form of deception. Getting you to prove, rationalise, compute, and divert all your energy upon the lesser weighted form of “logic” and not the larger component, “non logic”.

that is the game. Satan represents: doubt, confusion, anger, fear, denial, greed, impatience, insecurity, despair, among other things. his “edge” is [patience and human interaction and spurring arguments, hatred.] getting people to bicker as the house burns down.

Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God [the trinity] represent: truth, peace, clarity, simplicity, love, patience, relationship.

fear is not of God.

the author cannot state the matter cannot be proven or disproven. this is neutral and weak. God says, be either hot or cold, but not in between. this alone presents how weak the argument of this article is.

if one is going to make a statement against God, there needs to be much much more meat on the bone. Our galaxy alone is massive, and we relatively non-existent in terms of size or scope. my guess is our understanding of anything is 1 part logic relative 99,000 parts what we consider illogical.