Haha, I found this thread to be both useful and funny.
In any case, there are some cases where such information will leave your “map” of the territory astray. But many of us have numerous strategies to prevent this information from leaving our “map” astray.
Personally, I actually like to expose myself to a lot of this information (I generally trust myself not to let these sources of information affect me in a negative way, but this is dependent on my using the Internet as a means of finding other sources of information that may criticize them—which entails that these other sources of information are true and findable). I often like to consume this information since a lot of it has to do with the “boundary values” of society, so they’re interesting ways to see how social norms react to unusual stimuli (many legal cases, for example, are examples of highly unusual boundary-value cases that really test the laws) that it ordinarily isn’t used to.
Most of these sources of information are about people with “extreme” values, after all, so it’s easy not to be affected by them. But there are other sources of information that aren’t as extreme. For example:
That being said, there is one potentially dangerous source of information to fall for. And that source of information is—nootropic supplements/medications. In this case, I almost always rely on the experiences I read from imminst.org and other drug forums. But in many cases, there is vigorous debate, and I’m not sure what exactly to do. There’s a chance that I might cause substantial brain damage (to myself) by mixing in both Adderall and piracetam (as someone on imminst.org suggested), but someone else on imminst said that the combination was a recipe for glutamate neurotoxicity (at a massive level). I’m not sure what to do now, but I do feel guilty about wasting my piracetam and might ultimately bring myself to take it with adderall, based on those imminst posts I’ve read (just because I probably trust imminist forums more than I should).
The demands for scientific rigor force science to be conservative. The FDA requires that drugs be tested only for a specific treatable ailment, but not for enhancing cognition. As a result, some (brave) people self-experiment, and post their experiences on places like imminst.org. And since I might be too impatient to wait for results of safety from scientific journals (safety usually only tests acute effects, not the chronic ones that may be more harmful), I might end up taking a nootropic before I know that it’s really safe for me. It’s a risk, of course, and one that could easily come from falsified information from a place like imminst (which, again, I probably trust more than I should).
For example, if I had a monthly supply of modafinil (back in my more impulsive days), then I probably would have pulled all-nighters with it more than half the year. This may have had the potential to impose some extremely negative (and lasting) effects on my cognition (not the modafinil itself, but pulling all-nighters with it).
And of course, since each drug affects different people differently, and there aren’t a huge number of people who self-experiment with drugs and who ALSO post them on imminst (so N is very small), I can’t be completely confident that these drugs will be harmless in the way that it’s harmless to other people. But I’m prone to impulsivity, so I may be better off if I self-censor myself from such things. That being said, I’m still convinced that most nootropics are completely safe.
In other words....
Even for a rationalist, it’s hard to make decisions about actions where the utility (MOST OF THE TIME) is a slight positive, but where there is a very small chance that the utility could be a VERY STRONG negative. Now, driving is one of those actions (since you’re far more likely to die from a driving accident than from doing anything if you chose to avoid driving whenever possible, even though most of the time, driving at will incurs a slight positive utility). But many novel actions that transhumanists like to pursue—these actions also fit in the category—actions like taking nootropics (especially in combination with other nootropics or medications)
And here’s the thing: the human brain is horrible at quantifying events of very low probabilities. Even rationalists are horrible at doing this. While we, at least, know A LOT of people who drive, and few of us know people who ended up killed or horribly disfigured through car accidents (so we can estimate some probability of dying from an accident), we don’t have such large sample sizes when it comes to trying other new things (like nootropics). We might know that P(disaster|novel action like taking nootropics) < 0.05. But it might be much lower than that, or it might be slightly lower than that.
Haha, I found this thread to be both useful and funny.
In any case, there are some cases where such information will leave your “map” of the territory astray. But many of us have numerous strategies to prevent this information from leaving our “map” astray.
Personally, I actually like to expose myself to a lot of this information (I generally trust myself not to let these sources of information affect me in a negative way, but this is dependent on my using the Internet as a means of finding other sources of information that may criticize them—which entails that these other sources of information are true and findable). I often like to consume this information since a lot of it has to do with the “boundary values” of society, so they’re interesting ways to see how social norms react to unusual stimuli (many legal cases, for example, are examples of highly unusual boundary-value cases that really test the laws) that it ordinarily isn’t used to.
Most of these sources of information are about people with “extreme” values, after all, so it’s easy not to be affected by them. But there are other sources of information that aren’t as extreme. For example:
That being said, there is one potentially dangerous source of information to fall for. And that source of information is—nootropic supplements/medications. In this case, I almost always rely on the experiences I read from imminst.org and other drug forums. But in many cases, there is vigorous debate, and I’m not sure what exactly to do. There’s a chance that I might cause substantial brain damage (to myself) by mixing in both Adderall and piracetam (as someone on imminst.org suggested), but someone else on imminst said that the combination was a recipe for glutamate neurotoxicity (at a massive level). I’m not sure what to do now, but I do feel guilty about wasting my piracetam and might ultimately bring myself to take it with adderall, based on those imminst posts I’ve read (just because I probably trust imminist forums more than I should).
The demands for scientific rigor force science to be conservative. The FDA requires that drugs be tested only for a specific treatable ailment, but not for enhancing cognition. As a result, some (brave) people self-experiment, and post their experiences on places like imminst.org. And since I might be too impatient to wait for results of safety from scientific journals (safety usually only tests acute effects, not the chronic ones that may be more harmful), I might end up taking a nootropic before I know that it’s really safe for me. It’s a risk, of course, and one that could easily come from falsified information from a place like imminst (which, again, I probably trust more than I should).
For example, if I had a monthly supply of modafinil (back in my more impulsive days), then I probably would have pulled all-nighters with it more than half the year. This may have had the potential to impose some extremely negative (and lasting) effects on my cognition (not the modafinil itself, but pulling all-nighters with it).
And of course, since each drug affects different people differently, and there aren’t a huge number of people who self-experiment with drugs and who ALSO post them on imminst (so N is very small), I can’t be completely confident that these drugs will be harmless in the way that it’s harmless to other people. But I’m prone to impulsivity, so I may be better off if I self-censor myself from such things. That being said, I’m still convinced that most nootropics are completely safe.
In other words....
Even for a rationalist, it’s hard to make decisions about actions where the utility (MOST OF THE TIME) is a slight positive, but where there is a very small chance that the utility could be a VERY STRONG negative. Now, driving is one of those actions (since you’re far more likely to die from a driving accident than from doing anything if you chose to avoid driving whenever possible, even though most of the time, driving at will incurs a slight positive utility). But many novel actions that transhumanists like to pursue—these actions also fit in the category—actions like taking nootropics (especially in combination with other nootropics or medications)
And here’s the thing: the human brain is horrible at quantifying events of very low probabilities. Even rationalists are horrible at doing this. While we, at least, know A LOT of people who drive, and few of us know people who ended up killed or horribly disfigured through car accidents (so we can estimate some probability of dying from an accident), we don’t have such large sample sizes when it comes to trying other new things (like nootropics). We might know that P(disaster|novel action like taking nootropics) < 0.05. But it might be much lower than that, or it might be slightly lower than that.