Could you elaborate on how those fit into the Pascal’s Mugging pattern? Religion and chain letters were covered already, but some of the others you gave aren’t so clear. (And even on the ones where I have a good idea what you mean, it would help to see the mapping explicitly.)
Remember, the challenge isn’t to find general mind viruses or high-fitness memes, but rather, memes that spread because of a PM-like threat/promise.
Edit: D’oh! The topic creator did ask for mind viruses, and the request was in the very comment I responded to! Still, I think the purpose of the request was mainly to elicit PM-type mind viruses, otherwise we’ll just be uninterestingly listing popular stuff.
The recent “givewell” interview drew the parallel in the case of the SIAI:
I accept a lot of the controversial premises of your mission, but I’m a pretty long way from sold that you have the right team or the right approach. Now some have argued to me that I don’t need to be sold—that even at an infinitesimal probability of success, your project is worthwhile. I see that as a Pascal’s Mugging and don’t accept it; I wouldn’t endorse your project unless it passed the basic hurdles of credibility and workable approach as well as potentially astronomically beneficial goal.
I suspect that isn’t quite right. The FHI endorses the “maxipok” principle. It is more about promising hell-avoidance than heavenly benefits. I am not sure the SIAI is sold on this—and I have heard them waxing lyrical on the “heavenly benefits” side—but I expect they will agree that the position makes sense.
So, the idea is not that the organisation accompanies its requests for donations with a confession that it is just waving high utility in front of them in the hope of parting them from their money. That is hardly likely to be an effective fundraising strategy. Nobody ever suggested that in the first place. The idea is more that it uses promises of very high utility to compensate for a lack of concrete success probabilities—much like Pascal’s mugger does.
If you are short of examples of them waving high utitily around, perhaps see:
Could you elaborate on how those fit into the Pascal’s Mugging pattern? Religion and chain letters were covered already, but some of the others you gave aren’t so clear. (And even on the ones where I have a good idea what you mean, it would help to see the mapping explicitly.)
Remember, the challenge isn’t to find general mind viruses or high-fitness memes, but rather, memes that spread because of a PM-like threat/promise.
Edit: D’oh! The topic creator did ask for mind viruses, and the request was in the very comment I responded to! Still, I think the purpose of the request was mainly to elicit PM-type mind viruses, otherwise we’ll just be uninterestingly listing popular stuff.
The recent “givewell” interview drew the parallel in the case of the SIAI:
http://commonsenseatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/siai-2011-02-III.pdf
I suspect that isn’t quite right. The FHI endorses the “maxipok” principle. It is more about promising hell-avoidance than heavenly benefits. I am not sure the SIAI is sold on this—and I have heard them waxing lyrical on the “heavenly benefits” side—but I expect they will agree that the position makes sense.
Its worth noting that the SIAI representative agreed that he shouldn’t support SIAI unless it passed those hurdles, he merely argued that it did.
To my knowledge no SIAI employee has ever made the Pascal’s mugging type argument, it is a pure strawman.
So, the idea is not that the organisation accompanies its requests for donations with a confession that it is just waving high utility in front of them in the hope of parting them from their money. That is hardly likely to be an effective fundraising strategy. Nobody ever suggested that in the first place. The idea is more that it uses promises of very high utility to compensate for a lack of concrete success probabilities—much like Pascal’s mugger does.
If you are short of examples of them waving high utitily around, perhaps see:
How Much it Matters to Know What Matters: A Back of the Envelope Calculation
Good find—and I think both promises of hell avoidance and heavenly benefits count as Pascal’s Mugging.