No, TimS is asserting that you, and the rest of the humans, should feel guilty for living in a society where bad things systematically happen to people. This is at least in part because feeling guilty will motivate you to transform society into one in which those things don’t happen.
Also, gender might be relevant somehow—I’m slightly unclear on that part.
I think that is a fake justification for feeling guilt. I very much doubt that search setting out to find the optimal way to mobilize humanity against oppression would spit out “make everyone feel guilty”, when that also happens to be the output of the badly flawed moral feelings system.
Yes, I’m highly doubtful on the value of guilt trips as a tactical tool. I’m have this vague meta (and therefore mostly pointless) discussion about my frustrations about eridu’s tactics and goals—and the rest of y’all are taking me seriously on the object level.
Ceteris paribus, it is better to not feel guilty and to do better whenever you find a better way to do things, than to feel guilty and do better whenever you find a better way to do things, IMO. By that logic, I can in good conscience never feel guilty about the world I live in despite correcting for scope insensitivity, and thus still survive and not break down in a fit of guilt overload that would lead to suicide despite aware knowledge of all the horrible stuff that happens all the time.
No, TimS is asserting that you, and the rest of the humans, should feel guilty for living in a society where bad things systematically happen to people. This is at least in part because feeling guilty will motivate you to transform society into one in which those things don’t happen.
Also, gender might be relevant somehow—I’m slightly unclear on that part.
I think that is a fake justification for feeling guilt. I very much doubt that search setting out to find the optimal way to mobilize humanity against oppression would spit out “make everyone feel guilty”, when that also happens to be the output of the badly flawed moral feelings system.
Yes, I’m highly doubtful on the value of guilt trips as a tactical tool. I’m have this vague meta (and therefore mostly pointless) discussion about my frustrations about eridu’s tactics and goals—and the rest of y’all are taking me seriously on the object level.
This makes things a lot clearer. I agree.
Ceteris paribus, it is better to not feel guilty and to do better whenever you find a better way to do things, than to feel guilty and do better whenever you find a better way to do things, IMO. By that logic, I can in good conscience never feel guilty about the world I live in despite correcting for scope insensitivity, and thus still survive and not break down in a fit of guilt overload that would lead to suicide despite aware knowledge of all the horrible stuff that happens all the time.
Oh, sorry.
Indeed
Gender was just the original topic. This discussion about guilt/culpability is about social change generally.