Experimental condensed matter postdoc here. Specializing in graphene and carbon nanotubes, and to a lesser extent mechanical/electronic properties of DNA.
Carbon nanotubes in space elevators: Nicolas Pugno showed that the strenght of macroscale CNs is reduced to a theoretical limit of 30 gigapascal, with a needed strenght of 62 GPa for some desings… Whats the state of the art in tensile strenght of macro-scale CNs? Any other thoughts related to materials for space elevators?
I just read an article raising a point which is so obvious in retrospect that I’m shaking my head that it never occurred to me.
Boron Nitride nanotubes have a very similar strength to carbon nanotubes, but much much stronger interlayer coupling. They are a much better candidate for this task.
I’m not really up to speed on that, being more on the electronics end. Still, I’ve maintained interest.
Personally, every year or so I check in with the NASA contest to see how they’re doing.
Last I heard, pure carbon nanotube yarn was a little stronger by weight than copper wire. Adding a little binder helps a lot.
Pugno’s assumption of 100 nm long tubes is very odd—you can grow much longer tubes, even in fair quantity. Greater length helps a lot. The main mechanism of weakness is slippage, and having longer tubes provides more grip between neighboring tubes.
This is more in the realm of a nitpick, though. If I were to ballpark how much of a tensile strength discount we’d have to swallow on the way up from nanoscale, I would have guessed about 50%, which is not far off from his meticulously calculated 70%.
I’d love for space elevators to work; it’s not looking promising. Not on Earth, at least. Mars provides an easier problem: lower mass and a reducing atmosphere ease the requirements on the cable. My main hope is, if we use a different design like a mobile rotating skyhook instead of a straight-up elevator, we could greatly reduce the required length, and also to some extent the strength. That compromise may be achievable.
Can water be pumped through carbon nanotubes? If so, has anyone tried? If they have, has anyone tried running an electric current through a water-filled nanotube? How about a magnetic current? How about light? How about sound?
Can carbon nanotubes be used as an antenna? If they can be filled with water, could they then be used more effectively as an antenna?
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You can definitely cram water into carbon nanotubes, but they’re hydrophobic, so it’s not easy.
You can run an electric current through carbon nanotubes whether they’ve got water in them or not.
Spin transport is possible in perfect carbon nanotubes (magnetic current).
Carbon nanotubes are strong antennas, so they strongly interact with light. However, they are way way way too small to be waveguides for optical wavelengths, and EM radiation with an appropriate wavelength is way way way too penetrating. Water within them would just cause more scattering, not help carry current. Water carries ionic currents, which are orders of magnitude slower than electron or hole currents in nanotubes.
You can definitely carry sound with carbon nanotubes—google ‘nanotube radio’.
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Experimental condensed matter postdoc here. Specializing in graphene and carbon nanotubes, and to a lesser extent mechanical/electronic properties of DNA.
Carbon nanotubes in space elevators: Nicolas Pugno showed that the strenght of macroscale CNs is reduced to a theoretical limit of 30 gigapascal, with a needed strenght of 62 GPa for some desings… Whats the state of the art in tensile strenght of macro-scale CNs? Any other thoughts related to materials for space elevators?
I just read an article raising a point which is so obvious in retrospect that I’m shaking my head that it never occurred to me.
Boron Nitride nanotubes have a very similar strength to carbon nanotubes, but much much stronger interlayer coupling. They are a much better candidate for this task.
I’m not really up to speed on that, being more on the electronics end. Still, I’ve maintained interest. Personally, every year or so I check in with the NASA contest to see how they’re doing.
http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/early_stage_innovation/centennial_challenges/tether/index.html
Last I heard, pure carbon nanotube yarn was a little stronger by weight than copper wire. Adding a little binder helps a lot.
Pugno’s assumption of 100 nm long tubes is very odd—you can grow much longer tubes, even in fair quantity. Greater length helps a lot. The main mechanism of weakness is slippage, and having longer tubes provides more grip between neighboring tubes.
This is more in the realm of a nitpick, though. If I were to ballpark how much of a tensile strength discount we’d have to swallow on the way up from nanoscale, I would have guessed about 50%, which is not far off from his meticulously calculated 70%.
I’d love for space elevators to work; it’s not looking promising. Not on Earth, at least. Mars provides an easier problem: lower mass and a reducing atmosphere ease the requirements on the cable. My main hope is, if we use a different design like a mobile rotating skyhook instead of a straight-up elevator, we could greatly reduce the required length, and also to some extent the strength. That compromise may be achievable.
This might be out in left field, but:
Can water be pumped through carbon nanotubes? If so, has anyone tried? If they have, has anyone tried running an electric current through a water-filled nanotube? How about a magnetic current? How about light? How about sound?
Can carbon nanotubes be used as an antenna? If they can be filled with water, could they then be used more effectively as an antenna?
Sorry for the delayed response—I don’t see a mechanism for reply notifications.
You can definitely cram water into carbon nanotubes, but they’re hydrophobic, so it’s not easy.
You can run an electric current through carbon nanotubes whether they’ve got water in them or not.
Spin transport is possible in perfect carbon nanotubes (magnetic current).
Carbon nanotubes are strong antennas, so they strongly interact with light. However, they are way way way too small to be waveguides for optical wavelengths, and EM radiation with an appropriate wavelength is way way way too penetrating. Water within them would just cause more scattering, not help carry current. Water carries ionic currents, which are orders of magnitude slower than electron or hole currents in nanotubes.
You can definitely carry sound with carbon nanotubes—google ‘nanotube radio’.
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