Actually acting, dancing and singing have taught me a lot. The only reason I don’t get into the PUA subculture is because I can’t find a freaking wingman I trust. All my friends find PUA morally repulsive for some reason and don’t want to help me in this endeavor.
Another factor that staves me romantically is that I have a lot of trouble finding an intellectually compatible girl… and other girls just… failt to arouse me. I guess I could force myself into seducing them for practice or something, but I just can’t see myself being in a relationship with a girl that isn’t at least a potential rationalist. Those girls are few and far between… and when I find them I tend to get so overexcited I inevitably screw things up one way or another… they remain good friends though.
There’s a Barcelona Lair if you’re really interested in pickup. If you’re at a university, in a debating club, then there are intelligent women about. Everybody’s a potential rationalist. People in relationships generally change, and the more awesome, fun and attractive you are the more likely any partner you find will be to change for you.
That place sounds pretty badass. Do you know it personally?
As for the awesome part, as a good rationalist, I am steadily working on it.
And i don’t want to change anyone, I want to find someone who already is a rationalist (not specifically a Lesswronger, just someone who values Truth as a terminal value… at least for a start) or has the disposition to grow into one. In Big Bang Theory terms, I would never date a Penny, a Bernie, a Priya or an Amy would all be interesting choices (all of them inconvenient in their own way, but, hey, we’re all people).
A pretty brutal but quite efficient acid test would be suggesting they read Methods of Rationality. That book is kinda the sum of a lot of stuff I like and endorse, so if they go as enthusiastic about it as I was before Schedule Slip, it’s almost certain we’ll at least be very good friends. Furthermore, and failing that, the fact that they can ’keep up with the more complicated knots of the plot means we can have the sort of advanced discussion I enjoy. Failing that, the fact they’d be willing to consider reading a fanfiction would already mean we share some unusual cultural priors.
At how low a probability of eventually understanding, say, Bayes’ Rule and the 12 Virtues of Rationality do you consider a girl to have no potential as a future rationalist?
eventually? 100%. Anything less is completely unacceptable.. Anyone should be able to understand those. That’s the entire point of Rationalism, it’s supposed to be accessible to anyone, intelligent people are just faster learners.
The potential to become a rationalist isn’t a matter of being capable to understand, say, the Sequences or the Luminosities or the Feynman Lectures. It’s a matter of wanting to.
If there’s one trend you can tell from this thread, it’s that the Twelve Virtues are mostly an innate and early-nurture thing. The Number One virtue, Curiosity, I know so many people who just don’t have it. A relationship with a person who doesn’t seek the truth, who doesn’t feel the itch to pick at contradictions and fill their intellectual lacunas, or worse, who refuses to question their own prejudice, and who is content with knowing the minimum needed to perform their social function… There’s only so far a relationship with such people can go for me.
Writing this post, I just realized Ace Attorney is remarkably close to what a Rationalist game could be.
women are malleable. it is an evolutionary trait, disagreeing with males was bad for your offspring’s health.
before someone starts getting offended, men are malleable too, or do you not find all the hoop jumping just to have some sex in the PUA culture somewhat funny? I do.
anyway, If I expected women to be ideologically agreeable when we first started dating I’d never date anyone.
I wasn’t talking about “starting dating”, I was talking about “keeping as romantic partner”. Otherwise it’d be a purely sexual relationship, and those just aren’t very interesting except as half-hearted practice for the real stuff. If i could skip that stuff entirely without damaging my chances of finding my one and true, I would.
Actually acting, dancing and singing have taught me a lot. The only reason I don’t get into the PUA subculture is because I can’t find a freaking wingman I trust. All my friends find PUA morally repulsive for some reason and don’t want to help me in this endeavor.
Another factor that staves me romantically is that I have a lot of trouble finding an intellectually compatible girl… and other girls just… failt to arouse me. I guess I could force myself into seducing them for practice or something, but I just can’t see myself being in a relationship with a girl that isn’t at least a potential rationalist. Those girls are few and far between… and when I find them I tend to get so overexcited I inevitably screw things up one way or another… they remain good friends though.
There’s a Barcelona Lair if you’re really interested in pickup. If you’re at a university, in a debating club, then there are intelligent women about. Everybody’s a potential rationalist. People in relationships generally change, and the more awesome, fun and attractive you are the more likely any partner you find will be to change for you.
That place sounds pretty badass. Do you know it personally?
As for the awesome part, as a good rationalist, I am steadily working on it.
And i don’t want to change anyone, I want to find someone who already is a rationalist (not specifically a Lesswronger, just someone who values Truth as a terminal value… at least for a start) or has the disposition to grow into one. In Big Bang Theory terms, I would never date a Penny, a Bernie, a Priya or an Amy would all be interesting choices (all of them inconvenient in their own way, but, hey, we’re all people).
A pretty brutal but quite efficient acid test would be suggesting they read Methods of Rationality. That book is kinda the sum of a lot of stuff I like and endorse, so if they go as enthusiastic about it as I was before Schedule Slip, it’s almost certain we’ll at least be very good friends. Furthermore, and failing that, the fact that they can ’keep up with the more complicated knots of the plot means we can have the sort of advanced discussion I enjoy. Failing that, the fact they’d be willing to consider reading a fanfiction would already mean we share some unusual cultural priors.
At how low a probability of eventually understanding, say, Bayes’ Rule and the 12 Virtues of Rationality do you consider a girl to have no potential as a future rationalist?
eventually? 100%. Anything less is completely unacceptable.. Anyone should be able to understand those. That’s the entire point of Rationalism, it’s supposed to be accessible to anyone, intelligent people are just faster learners.
The potential to become a rationalist isn’t a matter of being capable to understand, say, the Sequences or the Luminosities or the Feynman Lectures. It’s a matter of wanting to.
If there’s one trend you can tell from this thread, it’s that the Twelve Virtues are mostly an innate and early-nurture thing. The Number One virtue, Curiosity, I know so many people who just don’t have it. A relationship with a person who doesn’t seek the truth, who doesn’t feel the itch to pick at contradictions and fill their intellectual lacunas, or worse, who refuses to question their own prejudice, and who is content with knowing the minimum needed to perform their social function… There’s only so far a relationship with such people can go for me.
Writing this post, I just realized Ace Attorney is remarkably close to what a Rationalist game could be.
women are malleable. it is an evolutionary trait, disagreeing with males was bad for your offspring’s health.
before someone starts getting offended, men are malleable too, or do you not find all the hoop jumping just to have some sex in the PUA culture somewhat funny? I do.
anyway, If I expected women to be ideologically agreeable when we first started dating I’d never date anyone.
I wasn’t talking about “starting dating”, I was talking about “keeping as romantic partner”. Otherwise it’d be a purely sexual relationship, and those just aren’t very interesting except as half-hearted practice for the real stuff. If i could skip that stuff entirely without damaging my chances of finding my one and true, I would.