here is my main counterarguments, and i will elaborate on them if asked:
The Light World allow to gather information that the Dark World disallow. it’s in high-trust environments that i gathered examples of personal experiences i didn’t know exist, and so learned more about the world, and have better Map of it.
people in the Dark World often fail to listen to other people. in the Autumn framework, they have filters that prevent them from see certain evidence.
i don’t think all distrust id bad, but it’s very common failure mode. and if you try to pass Large Inferential Distance, then there is certain kind of Dark Worldism that make it impossible, and certain kind of intellectual respect that needed for it to work.
my opinion about the need of Good Faith in discussions to not be almost completely futile didn’t come from theory, but from Empiricism. in my observations about the quality of discussion in different environments.
there is sort of mental move, especially stark in political contexts, when i can see how some person totally fail to understand the thing someone said, and assume something more stupid, and it’s both not-truth-seeking and wrong, and low trust.
i learned some interesting things from reading people i respect and disagree with, and i simply wouldn’t invest the time needed to cross the Inferential Distance if i didn’t have high prior on them telling something meaningful.
people VERY OFTEN underestimate the Inferential Distance, and in low trust place it mean people attack ideas they fail to understand, and miss the chance to understand them.
in my opinion, most people fail at the Autumn-update on the part when they fail to listen to the claim or evidence, as most things are complicated, reality have surprising amount of details, and they don’t wait enough, don’t invest enough time and energy modeling the other persons, opinion (of they try at all to model it). they fail at the “exchange evidence” part.
(there is a symmetrical error when people assume someone said something more truth then they did, and sanewash it.)
here is my main counterarguments, and i will elaborate on them if asked:
The Light World allow to gather information that the Dark World disallow. it’s in high-trust environments that i gathered examples of personal experiences i didn’t know exist, and so learned more about the world, and have better Map of it.
people in the Dark World often fail to listen to other people. in the Autumn framework, they have filters that prevent them from see certain evidence.
i don’t think all distrust id bad, but it’s very common failure mode. and if you try to pass Large Inferential Distance, then there is certain kind of Dark Worldism that make it impossible, and certain kind of intellectual respect that needed for it to work.
my opinion about the need of Good Faith in discussions to not be almost completely futile didn’t come from theory, but from Empiricism. in my observations about the quality of discussion in different environments.
there is sort of mental move, especially stark in political contexts, when i can see how some person totally fail to understand the thing someone said, and assume something more stupid, and it’s both not-truth-seeking and wrong, and low trust.
i learned some interesting things from reading people i respect and disagree with, and i simply wouldn’t invest the time needed to cross the Inferential Distance if i didn’t have high prior on them telling something meaningful.
people VERY OFTEN underestimate the Inferential Distance, and in low trust place it mean people attack ideas they fail to understand, and miss the chance to understand them.
in my opinion, most people fail at the Autumn-update on the part when they fail to listen to the claim or evidence, as most things are complicated, reality have surprising amount of details, and they don’t wait enough, don’t invest enough time and energy modeling the other persons, opinion (of they try at all to model it). they fail at the “exchange evidence” part.
(there is a symmetrical error when people assume someone said something more truth then they did, and sanewash it.)