Most obviously—studies that say being vegan is good for you are bad studies. Studies that say being vegan is bad for you though, you acknowledge they’re correlation but seem to let it speak for itself.
I don’t really like the “just look at that crappy male vegan podcaster” argument. It’s invalidated by the 3 super muscly, athletic vegan friends (rock climbing, rock climbing, fencing) I can think of, anyway.
I think you’re lumping in psychiatry with nutrition. I don’t agree psychiatry is stuck in a metaphorical 1800. Generally we can give you questionnaires and run blood work and figure out how your mood is doing. Is it perfect? No. Is it good enough to reject pseudoscience and follow our psychiatry science? Yes.
To my knowledge there is no psychiatric or medical recommendation against going vegan.
I think you’re indexing strongly on the risk of a mystery nutrient that won’t matter for 5 years. I think about 2 orders of unlikelihood out there—nutrient we really don’t know about it, and the effects go a bit past the window you might correlate your vegan diet change to your mood, which I take to be around 1 year of conscientiousness.
Part of the problem with going this hard on rejecting science as too incomplete, is which intuitionistic knowledge do you privilege? Going all in against ultra processed food is more popular, and if you accidentally put a vegan back onto more processed meats, it’s not really clear this is a win, against equally probably intuitionist knowledge. I’d probably cut back on microplastics in your diet I guess. And GMOs, why not.
You’re underestimating vegan as a tradition. My gut estimate is a few million over 50-75 years. It’s enough to smoke test most issues you’d run into.
Where I agree with you:
If I had spare research dollars on this question, I would explore if vegan causes neuroses chemically. It’s another chore to worry about if nothing else, but so is any culture or religion with a meal practice.
The vegan movement as a whole is in denial that we need to eat a lot of protein. It’s not a huge gap but a vegan probably wants to supplement on the order of 20-40g of protein a day on top of regular meals.
For what it’s worth I was vegan about 10 years and quit about 2 years ago. I have been more neurotic since then, easily.
A lot of this doesn’t pass the smell test.
Most obviously—studies that say being vegan is good for you are bad studies. Studies that say being vegan is bad for you though, you acknowledge they’re correlation but seem to let it speak for itself.
I don’t really like the “just look at that crappy male vegan podcaster” argument. It’s invalidated by the 3 super muscly, athletic vegan friends (rock climbing, rock climbing, fencing) I can think of, anyway.
I think you’re lumping in psychiatry with nutrition. I don’t agree psychiatry is stuck in a metaphorical 1800. Generally we can give you questionnaires and run blood work and figure out how your mood is doing. Is it perfect? No. Is it good enough to reject pseudoscience and follow our psychiatry science? Yes.
To my knowledge there is no psychiatric or medical recommendation against going vegan.
I think you’re indexing strongly on the risk of a mystery nutrient that won’t matter for 5 years. I think about 2 orders of unlikelihood out there—nutrient we really don’t know about it, and the effects go a bit past the window you might correlate your vegan diet change to your mood, which I take to be around 1 year of conscientiousness.
Part of the problem with going this hard on rejecting science as too incomplete, is which intuitionistic knowledge do you privilege? Going all in against ultra processed food is more popular, and if you accidentally put a vegan back onto more processed meats, it’s not really clear this is a win, against equally probably intuitionist knowledge. I’d probably cut back on microplastics in your diet I guess. And GMOs, why not.
You’re underestimating vegan as a tradition. My gut estimate is a few million over 50-75 years. It’s enough to smoke test most issues you’d run into.
Where I agree with you:
If I had spare research dollars on this question, I would explore if vegan causes neuroses chemically. It’s another chore to worry about if nothing else, but so is any culture or religion with a meal practice.
The vegan movement as a whole is in denial that we need to eat a lot of protein. It’s not a huge gap but a vegan probably wants to supplement on the order of 20-40g of protein a day on top of regular meals.
For what it’s worth I was vegan about 10 years and quit about 2 years ago. I have been more neurotic since then, easily.