I agree that you need an argument for “you should consider bees to be morally important because they can count and show social awareness” I was filling that argument in. To me it seems intuitive and a reasonable baseline assumption, but it’s totally reasonable that it doesn’t seem that way to you.
(It’s the same argument I make in a comment justifying neuron count as very rough proxy for moral consideration I in response to Kaj Sotala’s related short form. I do suspect that in this case many of bees cognitive abilities do not correlate with whatever-you-want-to-call-consciousness/sentience in the same way they would in mammals, which is one of the reasons I’ll continue eating honey occasionally.)
Agreed that trying to insist on a Schelling or anchor point is bad argumentation without a full justification. How much justification it needs is in the eye of the beholder. It seems reasonable to me for reasons to complex to go into, and reasonable that it doesn’t to you since you don’t share those background assumptions/reasoning.
All good points.
I agree that you need an argument for “you should consider bees to be morally important because they can count and show social awareness” I was filling that argument in. To me it seems intuitive and a reasonable baseline assumption, but it’s totally reasonable that it doesn’t seem that way to you.
(It’s the same argument I make in a comment justifying neuron count as very rough proxy for moral consideration I in response to Kaj Sotala’s related short form. I do suspect that in this case many of bees cognitive abilities do not correlate with whatever-you-want-to-call-consciousness/sentience in the same way they would in mammals, which is one of the reasons I’ll continue eating honey occasionally.)
Agreed that trying to insist on a Schelling or anchor point is bad argumentation without a full justification. How much justification it needs is in the eye of the beholder. It seems reasonable to me for reasons to complex to go into, and reasonable that it doesn’t to you since you don’t share those background assumptions/reasoning.