That’s fair. But I don’t know if I buy it. If I say “I’m gay so I’m attracted to men”, you wouldn’t predict that I’m attracted to entirely female-presenting people, once I learn they feel like men inside.
Any trans-inclusive usage of the word “man” has the problem you’re describing.
Including both the female sex (trans-men) and the male sex (cis-men) in the definition of the word “man” necessarily means that men who are attracted to men are not homosexual.
I mean, depends on what you mean by inclusive. The definition of man/woman that makes the most sense to me is based on appearance, presentation and social behavior. You are the gender you “pass” as.
That’s trans inclusive in the sense trans men can be men and trans women can be women. But not trans inclusive in the sense, self-identification is not enough, so trans people are not automatically the gender they identify as.
“You are the gender you ‘pass’ as,” is confusing, since “A woman is someone who looks like a woman,” doesn’t mean anything unless I assume you mean “A woman is someone who looks like a member of the female sex.”
Are you proposing that the definition that makes the most sense is “A (woman|man) is someone who looks and acts like the (female sex|male sex).”?
That’s fair. But I don’t know if I buy it. If I say “I’m gay so I’m attracted to men”, you wouldn’t predict that I’m attracted to entirely female-presenting people, once I learn they feel like men inside.
Any trans-inclusive usage of the word “man” has the problem you’re describing.
Including both the female sex (trans-men) and the male sex (cis-men) in the definition of the word “man” necessarily means that men who are attracted to men are not homosexual.
I mean, depends on what you mean by inclusive. The definition of man/woman that makes the most sense to me is based on appearance, presentation and social behavior. You are the gender you “pass” as.
That’s trans inclusive in the sense trans men can be men and trans women can be women. But not trans inclusive in the sense, self-identification is not enough, so trans people are not automatically the gender they identify as.
“You are the gender you ‘pass’ as,” is confusing, since “A woman is someone who looks like a woman,” doesn’t mean anything unless I assume you mean “A woman is someone who looks like a member of the female sex.”
Are you proposing that the definition that makes the most sense is “A (woman|man) is someone who looks and acts like the (female sex|male sex).”?