I think from my own experience a conversion is just a switch of tribal affiliations. That means, it takes two components:
a sense of rejection from your previous community.
a sense of connection to the new one.
So the reason why indirect arguments seem to work better would be because if you argue directly you don’t normally argue with someone but against them which reduces if not reverts the sense of connection. If my theory is correct then in direct conversation a more socratic method would be better. But you will probably not be successful until you somehow disconnect the theist from his circle or catch him at a time when he feels somewhat disconnected.
I’m sure this is true in some cases but not all of them. I’ve barely ever talked to anyone about my own fall from grace as a child and then again after a relapse in my teens, it was almost a completely introspective experience although what is interesting is that my relapse into Christianity was very much a social product. Still, atheism has never been an important part of my identity. In my mind the fact that I don’t watch televised sporting contests sets me further apart from my peers than the fact that I’m an atheist.
I de-converted my wife just by being an atheist and never making a big deal about it one way or another; I think she just needed to see an example of someone getting along fine without the theism.
I think from my own experience a conversion is just a switch of tribal affiliations. That means, it takes two components:
a sense of rejection from your previous community.
a sense of connection to the new one.
So the reason why indirect arguments seem to work better would be because if you argue directly you don’t normally argue with someone but against them which reduces if not reverts the sense of connection. If my theory is correct then in direct conversation a more socratic method would be better. But you will probably not be successful until you somehow disconnect the theist from his circle or catch him at a time when he feels somewhat disconnected.
I’m sure this is true in some cases but not all of them. I’ve barely ever talked to anyone about my own fall from grace as a child and then again after a relapse in my teens, it was almost a completely introspective experience although what is interesting is that my relapse into Christianity was very much a social product. Still, atheism has never been an important part of my identity. In my mind the fact that I don’t watch televised sporting contests sets me further apart from my peers than the fact that I’m an atheist.
I de-converted my wife just by being an atheist and never making a big deal about it one way or another; I think she just needed to see an example of someone getting along fine without the theism.