I think this post does a good job of conveying the challenges here, grounded in actual cases. (It’s hard for me to evaluate whether it does a great job because my pre-existing knowledge on the topic.) I think this stuff is hard and I have so much sympathy for anyone who’s been caught up in it, if they’re weren’t the instigator.
I don’t feel convinced it’s impossible to do this much better. My own median world isn’t very fleshed out, but my gut tells me that dath ilan has figured out some good wisdom and process here, and I trust it. I’d also guess that if Lightcone did more in this realm[1], we’d eventually figure out some better processes here that make things better for all involved, and possibly not just within our own domain, but guidelines for other groups to follow too.
Given that, I think it’s kinda bad to call the problem impossible. Even if something is hard and we’re unlikely to make progress on it, don’t cause people not try through excessive pessimism.
I’ll probably give this post a 1. I’d be excited if anyone wrote a sequel that was guesses at how to design a better system (inspired by the actual challenges encouraged) and perhaps experimental guide for others to try out.
We were doing much more of these while running the Lightcone Offices. Lighthaven is typically rented out to other groups, and not maintaining enough of it’s own persistent in-person community for us to have reason to do a lot of this kind of adjudication. (Ben’s big investigation started in the Offices day, and is a case from which there is a lot to be learned, but I do think if we unfortunately did more such cases, we would learn and get better).
I think this post does a good job of conveying the challenges here, grounded in actual cases. (It’s hard for me to evaluate whether it does a great job because my pre-existing knowledge on the topic.) I think this stuff is hard and I have so much sympathy for anyone who’s been caught up in it, if they’re weren’t the instigator.
I don’t feel convinced it’s impossible to do this much better. My own median world isn’t very fleshed out, but my gut tells me that dath ilan has figured out some good wisdom and process here, and I trust it. I’d also guess that if Lightcone did more in this realm[1], we’d eventually figure out some better processes here that make things better for all involved, and possibly not just within our own domain, but guidelines for other groups to follow too.
Given that, I think it’s kinda bad to call the problem impossible. Even if something is hard and we’re unlikely to make progress on it, don’t cause people not try through excessive pessimism.
I’ll probably give this post a 1. I’d be excited if anyone wrote a sequel that was guesses at how to design a better system (inspired by the actual challenges encouraged) and perhaps experimental guide for others to try out.
We were doing much more of these while running the Lightcone Offices. Lighthaven is typically rented out to other groups, and not maintaining enough of it’s own persistent in-person community for us to have reason to do a lot of this kind of adjudication. (Ben’s big investigation started in the Offices day, and is a case from which there is a lot to be learned, but I do think if we unfortunately did more such cases, we would learn and get better).