On the other hand, it feels like it it is helpful explaining to people who already have some sort of idea that the scene exists and posts and already have some sort of at least slightly negative opinion about it.
As someone in this bucket, Jacob’s post was weird to read, and so I’m surprised to see that you believe I’m the intended audience (I expect a better audience to be someone who has heard about it but had a slightly positive opinion on it). My main takeaway from the post was that I want nothing to do with the postrat scene, and while that’s valuable information it doesn’t seem like what you had expected someone like me to take away from the post. Reading through the post, it felt like most of the negative sentiment towards the postrat scene had a valid basis, and I didn’t find any of the ameliorating factors compelling.
For instance, I would characterize the primary defense (possibly unfairly) as “It’s just shitposting (except it’s not)”. When discussing the QAnon tweet, I far prefer the expanded explanation that Jacob describes as “what [he] actually wanted to say”. It’s an interesting idea and it’s presented in a way that I can engage with. The tweet, in contrast, is like an advertisement in that it’s intended to wash over me and induce a particular haze of sentiment. I find Times Square kinda gross, and that disgust is similar to what I expect to experience on postrat twitter.
Hmm. So, what I was attempting to say was not that Jacob’s post would convince you to like the postrat scene.
More that it would help you to understand the postrat scene.
Moreover, I can imagine two categories of people who have negative opinions about the scene:
People who think it’s stupid because it’s shallow (not sure shallow is the right word here).
People who think it’s stupid because it appears shallow but know that the decoder ring for stuff like the QAnon post exists.
I’d say that when I said:
On the other hand, it feels like it it is helpful explaining to people who already have some sort of idea that the scene exists and posts and already have some sort of at least slightly negative opinion about it.
I was saying that it feels like the post would be most effective at moving people from category 1 to category 2.
FWIW, I’m mostly of the same opinion as you WRT to stuff like the QAnon tweet though I would express my emotional reaction more as indifference/you-do-you than disgust.
What I find interesting is that when I was in my teens through my twenties, I would have reveled in this ingroup type of stuff. I did revel in it! Now that I’m in my mid 40s I have an almost allergic reaction to it.
More that it would help you to understand the postrat scene.
I see, thanks for clarifying. I think it helped me understand the postrat scene (although I have no interest in verifying that), so in that sense the post was successful.
FWIW, I’m mostly of the same opinion as you WRT to stuff like the QAnon tweet though I would express my emotional reaction more as indifference/you-do-you than disgust.
What I find interesting is that when I was in my teens through my twenties, I would have reveled in this ingroup type of stuff. I did revel in it! Now that I’m in my mid 40s I have an almost allergic reaction to it.
I’m somewhat confused on what you actually feel here, since “allergic reaction” seems very similar to my reaction: aversive for yourself. To be clear, I’m perfectly happy with the postrat scene doing its thing so long as it leaves the things I care about alone. I’m a strong supporter of liberalism in the sense of letting others do whatever they want so long as it isn’t directly harmful to people who are not themselves involved.
I’m somewhat confused on what you actually feel here
If I was to immerse myself in postrat, I would not like it because I prefer to be doing things that I enjoy and think are good and useful. If I was forced to be immersed in postrat I’d be bored, bemused, indifferent. I have a hard time thinking of a way that the word “disgust” would be used to describe my reaction.
As someone in this bucket, Jacob’s post was weird to read, and so I’m surprised to see that you believe I’m the intended audience (I expect a better audience to be someone who has heard about it but had a slightly positive opinion on it). My main takeaway from the post was that I want nothing to do with the postrat scene, and while that’s valuable information it doesn’t seem like what you had expected someone like me to take away from the post. Reading through the post, it felt like most of the negative sentiment towards the postrat scene had a valid basis, and I didn’t find any of the ameliorating factors compelling.
For instance, I would characterize the primary defense (possibly unfairly) as “It’s just shitposting (except it’s not)”. When discussing the QAnon tweet, I far prefer the expanded explanation that Jacob describes as “what [he] actually wanted to say”. It’s an interesting idea and it’s presented in a way that I can engage with. The tweet, in contrast, is like an advertisement in that it’s intended to wash over me and induce a particular haze of sentiment. I find Times Square kinda gross, and that disgust is similar to what I expect to experience on postrat twitter.
Hmm. So, what I was attempting to say was not that Jacob’s post would convince you to like the postrat scene.
More that it would help you to understand the postrat scene.
Moreover, I can imagine two categories of people who have negative opinions about the scene:
People who think it’s stupid because it’s shallow (not sure shallow is the right word here).
People who think it’s stupid because it appears shallow but know that the decoder ring for stuff like the QAnon post exists.
I’d say that when I said:
I was saying that it feels like the post would be most effective at moving people from category 1 to category 2.
FWIW, I’m mostly of the same opinion as you WRT to stuff like the QAnon tweet though I would express my emotional reaction more as indifference/you-do-you than disgust.
What I find interesting is that when I was in my teens through my twenties, I would have reveled in this ingroup type of stuff. I did revel in it! Now that I’m in my mid 40s I have an almost allergic reaction to it.
I see, thanks for clarifying. I think it helped me understand the postrat scene (although I have no interest in verifying that), so in that sense the post was successful.
I’m somewhat confused on what you actually feel here, since “allergic reaction” seems very similar to my reaction: aversive for yourself. To be clear, I’m perfectly happy with the postrat scene doing its thing so long as it leaves the things I care about alone. I’m a strong supporter of liberalism in the sense of letting others do whatever they want so long as it isn’t directly harmful to people who are not themselves involved.
If I was to immerse myself in postrat, I would not like it because I prefer to be doing things that I enjoy and think are good and useful. If I was forced to be immersed in postrat I’d be bored, bemused, indifferent. I have a hard time thinking of a way that the word “disgust” would be used to describe my reaction.
I’m allergic to being bored.