Not sure what Richard would say, but off the cuff, I’d distinguish ‘imparting information that happens to induce guilt’ from ‘guilting’, based on intent to cooperatively inform vs. psychologically attack.
My read of the post is that some degree of “being virtuously willing to contend with guilt as a fair emergent consequence of hearing carefully considered and selected information” is required for being well-founded or part of a well-founded system (receive criticism without generating internal conflict, etc).
I’d distinguish ‘imparting information that happens to induce guilt’ from ‘guilting’, based on intent to cooperatively inform vs. psychologically attack.
Mhm, and in practice no one who accuses of guilt tripping actually cares about that distinction; if someone is being made to look bad then they basically never wonder if it’s right. I’m not objecting to the ‘guilt-tripping’ framing for no reason; it’s a thought-terminating cliche in 99.99% of cases where it’s used.
[reading what I actually wrote here] … And anyways ‘inducing guilt’ is what the most relevant informing-act looks like; if you’re doing something wrong then you don’t necessarily change it without attending to the exact details which would induce guilt. I never even said anything about ‘guilting’; OP explicitly discouraged a correct thing to do without even mentioning ‘guilting’.
Not sure what Richard would say, but off the cuff, I’d distinguish ‘imparting information that happens to induce guilt’ from ‘guilting’, based on intent to cooperatively inform vs. psychologically attack.
My read of the post is that some degree of “being virtuously willing to contend with guilt as a fair emergent consequence of hearing carefully considered and selected information” is required for being well-founded or part of a well-founded system (receive criticism without generating internal conflict, etc).
Mhm, and in practice no one who accuses of guilt tripping actually cares about that distinction; if someone is being made to look bad then they basically never wonder if it’s right. I’m not objecting to the ‘guilt-tripping’ framing for no reason; it’s a thought-terminating cliche in 99.99% of cases where it’s used.
[reading what I actually wrote here] … And anyways ‘inducing guilt’ is what the most relevant informing-act looks like; if you’re doing something wrong then you don’t necessarily change it without attending to the exact details which would induce guilt. I never even said anything about ‘guilting’; OP explicitly discouraged a correct thing to do without even mentioning ‘guilting’.