I think it helps a lot if there is a middle ground between a permanent ban and nothing. Such as a 1 day ban, or maybe a system that would automatically escalate: 1 day, 3 days, 7 days, 1 month, permanent.
On LessWrong, losing karma and getting rate limited seems to also help a lot.
Absolutely. I talked over a draft with @Screwtape and one of the tools he’s considered is giving warnings/judgments explicitly in terms of ‘permanent consequences’, ‘temporary consequences’, ‘less of this sort of thing but just a warning for now.’ IIUC he hasn’t tried it, but it seems promising.
I think karma loss is insufficiently specific and agentic to do the job, though. Rate limits, maybe, IDK.
I think it helps a lot if there is a middle ground between a permanent ban and nothing. Such as a 1 day ban, or maybe a system that would automatically escalate: 1 day, 3 days, 7 days, 1 month, permanent.
On LessWrong, losing karma and getting rate limited seems to also help a lot.
Absolutely. I talked over a draft with @Screwtape and one of the tools he’s considered is giving warnings/judgments explicitly in terms of ‘permanent consequences’, ‘temporary consequences’, ‘less of this sort of thing but just a warning for now.’ IIUC he hasn’t tried it, but it seems promising.
I think karma loss is insufficiently specific and agentic to do the job, though. Rate limits, maybe, IDK.