This only demonstrates that you can argue in a fallibilist framework for something you can argue for in practically any other philosophical framework as well. Simply showing that your epistemology allows you to do things as well as people who don’t even know what an epistemology is isn’t a rousing argument for its usefulness.
For what it is worth, I don’t think this argument is fundamental in any useful way but it is an argument that I find quite strong and I don’t agree with curi’s basic philosophy.
I’m not convinced that any moral argument is fundamental. What do you want one for? Is that just an “I’d like to see you do better?” challenge? If so, I’m not going to bother, because I doubt it would serve a useful purpose in furthering the conversation, and I don’t think anyone was particularly swayed by yours in the first place. Those of us who are already liberals have our own, and those who aren’t weren’t compelled to change our minds.
If this is a “If I can see an argument for liberalism that is more convincing to an average person not already entrenched in my philosophy, it will change my opinion about my philosophy,” then I’ll try to provide one, but I’ll stipulate that the persuasiveness should be decided by a poll elsewhere, not by either of us. If you can provide a response to my request in my other comment that convinces me that I should continue to be interested in this conversation at all, I would be amenable to that.
This only demonstrates that you can argue in a fallibilist framework for something you can argue for in practically any other philosophical framework as well. Simply showing that your epistemology allows you to do things as well as people who don’t even know what an epistemology is isn’t a rousing argument for its usefulness.
What are the other arguments for liberalism, of this quality and just as fundamental?
I read some other philosophies and wasn’t able to find great liberal arguments like this. I’d like to hear them.
As an example, Mises has very good arguments for liberalism, but none of them are as fundamental as this. They are all higher level stuff.
I’m not convinced that this is an argument of exceptional quality, or fundamental at all, so I’m just going to have to say “most of them.”
For what it is worth, I don’t think this argument is fundamental in any useful way but it is an argument that I find quite strong and I don’t agree with curi’s basic philosophy.
Give one that’s better.
I’m not convinced that any moral argument is fundamental. What do you want one for? Is that just an “I’d like to see you do better?” challenge? If so, I’m not going to bother, because I doubt it would serve a useful purpose in furthering the conversation, and I don’t think anyone was particularly swayed by yours in the first place. Those of us who are already liberals have our own, and those who aren’t weren’t compelled to change our minds.
If this is a “If I can see an argument for liberalism that is more convincing to an average person not already entrenched in my philosophy, it will change my opinion about my philosophy,” then I’ll try to provide one, but I’ll stipulate that the persuasiveness should be decided by a poll elsewhere, not by either of us. If you can provide a response to my request in my other comment that convinces me that I should continue to be interested in this conversation at all, I would be amenable to that.